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Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:41 pm to tiderider
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you're the one claiming they'll use the weapons to kill terrorists ... i'm claiming the deal is smoke/mirrors, like every other deal this or any other president has made with the saudis (don't know what the kiss from your boy bush meant, but there's nothing wrong with it)
Ok, so we sold them billions and billions of dollars worth of weapons they probably won't use. How is that a bad thing? They will either use them on killing other Muslims or they won't use them at all. We are $100+ billion richer regardless. They are going to get weapons from somewhere anyway, and they are going to do what they've been doing whether we want them to or not. So what do you suggest we do?
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:44 pm to Big12fan
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You are flat-assed wrong. Read up on the history of Wahhabism and its relationship to the House of Saud. Educate yourself. Just because we have a dumb government doesn't mean we have to have a dumb public. You are the one who doesn't want to face the truth. It IS the Saudis and has always been the Saudis. Don't be a Wahhabi Cuck.
I'm not saying the Saudis aren't a problem. I'm saying they aren't the only ones spreading a radical form of Islam.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:46 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Ok, so we sold them billions and billions of dollars worth of weapons they probably won't use.
One, because their desire for regional hegemony should be built on the backs of their own people, not us and not "Islamists" from other countries. If they want to fight Iran, then they should do it. The world would be a better place for it, because at least that issue would come closer to being solved.
That won't happen, so they will exchange money and peddle influence so as to continue the status quo, meekly blaming the Iranians for terrorism. The Iranians aren't angels by any means, they are cunning and resourceful, but we shouldn't be fighting on behalf of the KSA, or the Gulf Arabs in general, who will continue to fund terrorist groups as long as there is a chance that there is a "Shia corridor" in central West Asia.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:47 pm to Big12fan
These people follow an Islam that is taught in the Qur'an and exemplified by Muhammed. It isn't something maintained by one country alone.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:48 pm to crazy4lsu
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If they want to fight Iran, then they should do it. The world would be a better place for it, because at least that issue would come closer to being solved.
Maybe they will now
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:50 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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I'm not saying the Saudis aren't a problem. I'm saying they aren't the only ones spreading a radical form of Islam.
Well there is a massive difference between the Shia Islamists and Sunni Islamists. Shia Islamists are limited by geography, and are focused on protecting their homeland for the most part. They don't, in general, coordinate attacks very far from their base of operations. There are some notable exceptions, especially in the case of Hezbollah, but in general that is true.
The Sunni Islamists instead try to globalize a version of Islam that was isolated for a long time by the larger Hanifi and Shafi'i schools. They've funded groups that have fought all over Africa and Asia, and now Europe. This difference is essential in my view, as the Sunni Islamists have global aspirations, while the Shia have regional ones, and will probably always be limited to regional ones, seeing they make up a minority of the religion.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:51 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Maybe they will now
If there is any fight with Iran, it is a likely world war, unless Russia and Iran can be isolated. Even then the Iranians have been fighting since 1979, and are resourceful. If its limited to the KSA and Iran, I'd wager on the Iranians winning. Hence why the US will fight for them, if it comes to that.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:52 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Ok, so we sold them billions and billions of dollars worth of weapons they probably won't use. How is that a bad thing? They will either use them on killing other Muslims or they won't use them at all. We are $100+ billion richer regardless. How is that a bad thing? They are going to get weapons from somewhere anyway, and they are going to do what they've been doing whether we want them to or not. So what do you suggest we do?
I suggest that we grow a set of balls and demand that they clamp down on the hatred and perverted form of Islam by closing the Madrassas, stopping the exporting of their propaganda, or we will ramp up the shale drilling and bleed the Royal thugs into poverty. We now have an oil hammer. The only way to motivate the Royal family is to threaten to end their way of life. Otherwise, don't get pissed when another of their surrogates commits an atrocity. Just accept it and say, "well the Saudi Royals are nice to us".
If you want to kill an ideology, you go to the source.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:53 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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It's not Wahhabism. That's a stricter form of Islam and is more radical. But Islam itself is radical. There is no moderate form of Islam. They are just as strict in Iran as they are in Saudi Arabia. Two different sects of Islam. Don't make excuses. It's ISLAM
Exactly. The entire damn region is screwed up The Manchester terrorist attack was perpetrated by a Libyan. Does Saudi Arabia get credit for that?
This is one more reason why any sensible person should support President Trump's travel ban. You can't say you're against that and then scream bloody murder about terrorism.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:54 pm to Big12fan
Trump said it's all about Iran, all the time and the Saudis have the best crystal balls...so good luck peddling these actual facts.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:54 pm to KCT
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Exactly. The entire damn region is screwed up The Manchester terrorist attack was perpetrated by a Libyan. Does Saudi Arabia get credit for that?
You realize that he met with an ISIS unit in Libya, and can you guess what version of Islam ISIS follows, and where it is most predominate?
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:23 pm to crazy4lsu
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You realize that he met with an ISIS unit in Libya, and can you guess what version of Islam ISIS follows, and where it is most predominate?
It's "predominant," and I'm telling you that the entire region is one big pile of shite. Israel is the only good country in the ME. Egypt is doing better w/Assisi, and Jordan is decent.
Let me ask you something. Do you support President Trump's travel ban?
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:25 pm to KCT
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It's "predominant,"
Mea culpa
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I'm telling you that the entire region is one big pile of shite.
Sure. But what sect is ISIS? And where is it most popular?
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Let me ask you something. Do you support President Trump's travel ban?
I asked you a question first and you didn't answer. You answer mine and I will answer yours.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:31 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I am reading almost everyone of your posts. Great insights. Thanks
crazy4lsu
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:32 pm to cwill
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Trump said it's all about Iran, all the time
And yet, genius, the travel ban encompasses multiple countries. That alone should tell you that your statement is retarded.
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:33 pm to Big12fan
So why is The Magnificent One making an arms pact with the one nation responsible for the most despicable acts of terror?
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:35 pm to tarzana
quote:The same reason Obama sucked their cranks.
So why is The Magnificent One making an arms pact with the one nation responsible for the most despicable acts of terror?
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:39 pm to tarzana
quote:Dude, stop. It does not have to be about Trump. He has been in office five months. I know you want to score cheap points but this is about larger issues.
tarzana
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:58 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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They quite literally keep us afloat by helping back the petro-dollar
History:
due to the Vietnam war, we were printing money at such a fast rate, inflation was causing a massive depletion of the US gold reserves... Nixon took us off the gold standard, solving the gold problem, but not the money problem
We had to have some commodity back the USD, so we looked around and said oil was the next best bet... we went to Saudi and told them we would sell them weapons in exchange they sold their oil in USD... they said yes and now we are screwed
The petro-dollar is why we went to Libya to out Gaddafi (he wanted to sell the oil in Euros), and it's why we went to Iraq... there were no WMDs in Iraq, Saddam wanted to sell his oil in Dinar and we wouldn't allow that to happen
Again, we are in a no win situation with shitty bedfellows
This is it. It's why we do what we do. There is some reason to hope though. The creation by Saudi Arabia and several other countries in the region, the U.S. included of a center to fight extremism is a step in the right direction. It's not going to happen overnight but the Saudi's and other's are finally getting serious about cleaning the mess up.
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