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Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:49 am to
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:49 am to
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...not fearful in the least. Just aware of my surroundings and world circumstances .....


Do you live in the ME? If not you have an irrational fear of IS
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21121 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:49 am to
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Did they also have decoder rings and a secret handshake?


Okay, you are now on my list of people to completely ignore because you write like a moron.
Posted by Jim Ignatowski
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
1383 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:51 am to
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Do you live in the ME? If not you have an irrational fear of IS


.....you are either ignorant or a liberal. Either way, discourse is futile.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32647 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 7:55 am to
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.....you are either ignorant or a liberal


lulz at you. You are living in fear of a group operating in power vacuums of 2 failed states. Are you also afraid of Boko Haram or Al Shabaab?

Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:03 am to
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.....stupid statement. Wake up and look around you....read some news on occasion. Muslims sacrifice their own on a daily basis.
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So are killings in the US Christian sacrifices? Where do you even come up with this dumb shite? Try to stop being such a racist pos and let the hate flow from your heart.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:03 am to
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Posted by Clete Purcel
Jennings, LA
Member since Oct 2013
145 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:08 am to
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My heart agrees with you. The problem is: An absense of some sort of effective nation-state is how these savages become so powerful in the first place. There is nobody to oppose them. That's why we nation build in the first place (or at least try).

The UN is a joke. The U.S. used to be the one who would stand up to these frickers, but we don't have the will or the clout or the patience at this point. W're worn out having Spent 10 years in Iraq and Afghanistan (and I'm not tyring to blame anyone) . It's just a complete clusterfrick.


I don't pretend to understand what drives these people to act like bloodthirsty, uncivilized savages, but they operate under the banner of Islam. I fully understand that the majority of Muslims don't act this way and its just the radicals that do.

The problem is that the sheer number of radicals is large and growing and we're putting our heads in the sand if we think we can ignore it. This is overly idealistic, I know, but couldn't we forge alliances with Muslim countries and since they don't have an effective "nation-state" encourage the peaceful Muslim majority handle this problem? Why don't we hear them trying to denounce ISIS? I'm pretty sure that if a radical wing of Christians in America started indiscriminately slaughtering people, there would be a HUGE response by Christians condemning them and actively getting involved in stopping them. Why doesn't that occur within the Muslim faith?
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:20 am to
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The problem is that the sheer number of radicals is large and growing and we're putting our heads in the sand if we think we can ignore it. This is overly idealistic, I know, but couldn't we forge alliances with Muslim countries and since they don't have an effective "nation-state" encourage the peaceful Muslim majority handle this problem? Why don't we hear them trying to denounce ISIS? I'm pretty sure that if a radical wing of Christians in America started indiscriminately slaughtering people, there would be a HUGE response by Christians condemning them and actively getting involved in stopping them. Why doesn't that occur within the Muslim faith?





This has been brought up so many times on this board it's practically a meme, but the best that the apologists can come up with is "it's anti-Islam propaganda", some obscure Westernized Muslim saying "Islam is about peace", or calling you a bigot.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:21 am to
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We made a mistake in removing Saddam from power. He may have been a a-hole thug piece of shite but we could control him and he would keep things quiet in iraq and ensure stability in the Mideast compared to today where we have bat shite crazy jihadists running around and fricking shite up.

yeah here is the middle east catch-22

they respond to 2 forms of government: harsh theocracies under Islam or brutal, authoritarian regimes (it can be secular)

if we support the authoritarian regimes in order to keep peace, then we are the bad guy. if we free these states, they choose (or are conquered by) brutal islamic theocracies. this is why we have such a pattern of frenemies over there

i think the only exception to this, is basically the kurds. even israel falls into group A

the neocons were philosophically correct at their base, which is that western culture is superior to the culture of the middle east

the problem is that executing that belief and turning it into reality is impossible. if we free a group of either type of government, it will devolve back into shitty, inferior culture.

when people criticize those who formerly supported Bush who now don't, they don't understand that most of those people have become war weary and now fully understand that we can't do shite to fix the middle east.
Posted by Jim Ignatowski
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
1383 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:25 am to
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So are killings in the US Christian sacrifices? Where do you even come up with this dumb shite? Try to stop being such a racist pos and let the hate flow from your heart.


....the last bastion of a dumbass when you can't refute facts....call someone a racist....game over. WRONG ....dumbass!
Posted by a want
I love everybody
Member since Oct 2010
19756 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:25 am to
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couldn't we forge alliances with Muslim countries and since they don't have an effective "nation-state" encourage the peaceful Muslim majority handle this problem?

Funny you should ask

Fareed Zakaria in today's Washington Post: "The key to fighting the Islamic State - A second Sunni awakening"

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How to handle this challenge? The American, a former senior administration figure, counsels against pessimism. The Islamic State “is not nearly as strong as al-Qaeda in Iraq was in its heyday,” he noted, playing down recent reports that the militant forces contain within them fearsome elements of Saddam Hussein’s disbanded army. “We fought that army. It was not very impressive,” he noted. The Islamic State could be defeated, he said, but it would take a comprehensive and sustained strategy, much like the one that undergirded the surge in Iraq.

“The first task is political,” he said, supporting the Obama administration’s efforts to press the Iraqi government to become more inclusive. “We have more leverage now than at any time in recent years, and the administration is using it.” If this continues, the next step would be to create the most powerful and effective ground force that could take on the Islamic State — which would not be the Free Syrian Army but rather a reconstituted Iraqi army. Built, trained and equipped by the United States, “it’s actually got some very effective units. Iraqi special forces were trained in Jordan and are extremely impressive,” the American said, pointing out that it was those forces that recaptured the Mosul dam recently. It has underperformed because then-Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had transformed it in the past three years into a sectarian and loyalist force.

The reconstitution of Iraqi army units will require the firing of the Shiite commanders that Maliki appointed. This again mirrors the surge, during which 70 percent of Iraq’s battalion commanders were replaced to create a more inclusive and effective fighting force.

Once the Iraqi army is fighting again, the American said, it should employ the “oil spots” strategy of the surge, clearing and holding areas. But the key to that would be winning the trust of the local Sunni populations. That same approach could be used in Syria, with the Free Syrian Army using money and providing security to win over locals who oppose Assad but now ally with the Islamic State out of fear rather than conviction.

The two observers agreed on one central danger. The temptation to gain immediate military victories over the Islamic State could mean that the United States would end up tacitly partnering with the Assad regime in Syria. This would produce a short-term military gain but a long-term political disaster. “It would feed the idea that the Sunnis are embattled, that a Crusader Christian-Shiite alliance is persecuting them and that all Sunnis must resist this alien invasion,” the European diplomat said. “The key is that Sunnis must be in the lead against IS. They must be in front of the battlefield.”
The strategy that could work against the Islamic State is nothing less than a second Sunni Awakening. It’s a huge challenge but appears to be the only option with a plausible chance of success.


It seems complicated to me. Plus there are a whole lot of ifs, but what do I know....I
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34907 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:27 am to
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I'm pretty sure that if a radical wing of Christians in America started indiscriminately slaughtering people, there would be a HUGE response by Christians condemning them and actively getting involved in stopping them. Why doesn't that occur within the Muslim faith?


Because the 'radicals' would wave both The Book...AND...the ACTIONS of their Founding Prophet in their faces. And remind them that they are forbidden - by the Quran - to even criticize the Religion.

Did you listen to Choudray on Hannity the other night? He lays out the 'sins' of the US pretty well; all manner of murderous enterprise against Islam, backing tyrants who kept Islam down.

But no more. Now the real Islam is out of the box. And guess what...the *Moderate* Muslims will do little to stop it; though they will slaughter each other over Theological differences. That aside, they hate Freedom...and most any would tell you quick that they believe that a World Caliphate would solve the Godless problems of a Free world.

It is all coming out in the wash. Those who now defend the equality/sovereignty of Islam...will soon be trying to defend/rationalize the most barbaric scenarios imaginable. And they will, pointing to the civilized world's own reaction to it. Look at Israel right now; there is the dynamic to come, for the kind of response that many in this thread imagine.

Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32647 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:28 am to
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....the last bastion of a dumbass when you can't refute facts....call someone a racist....game over. WRONG ....dumbass!


Says the guy calling the president a muslim and insisting all muslims love the death of other muslims. You're a joke brah
Posted by Jim Ignatowski
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
1383 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:30 am to
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You're a joke brah


quote:

jamboybarry


....coming from you....that's a compliment.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32647 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:31 am to
you're welcome
Posted by Clete Purcel
Jennings, LA
Member since Oct 2013
145 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:33 am to
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when people criticize those who formerly supported Bush who now don't, they don't understand that most of those people have become war weary and now fully understand that we can't do shite to fix the middle east.


Agreed! I'm war weary and after seeing the results of us being over there in Iraq and Afghanistan, I wouldn't want to send my sons to fight in what seems to be a lost cause. If they would just stay within their borders and live like savages that would be fine. The problem is they don't. They insist on blowing up things in NYC, embassies around the world, etc.

It is a big catch-22. If we come against them with force (which is the only language they understand), we breed more terrorists intent on attacking the West. On the other hand, ignoring them doesn't seem particularly effective either.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18072 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:41 am to
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Fareed Zakaria in today's Washington Post: "The key to fighting the Islamic State - A second Sunni awakening"


Who did he plagiarize for that article?

How does a multiple-offender plagiarist keep a job in journalism?

Is it not PC to fire a muslim? Are they getting "diversity points" for keeping a muslim on the payroll?
Posted by Clete Purcel
Jennings, LA
Member since Oct 2013
145 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:49 am to
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Did you listen to Choudray on Hannity the other night? He lays out the 'sins' of the US pretty well; all manner of murderous enterprise against Islam, backing tyrants who kept Islam down.


I didn't get a chance to listen to him.

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Because the 'radicals' would wave both The Book...AND...the ACTIONS of their Founding Prophet in their faces. And remind them that they are forbidden - by the Quran - to even criticize the Religion.


But if Islam doesn't really advocate violence against the infidel, the peaceful muslims could respond that they aren't criticizing the religion - they are correcting those who have misinterpreted it.

If Muslims are truly forbidden from questioning anyone's actions within their faith, well, things will get much worse.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:49 am to
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Who did he plagiarize for that article? 



Probably General Petraeus. Since he was the mastermind behind the Sunni awakening.
Posted by Clete Purcel
Jennings, LA
Member since Oct 2013
145 posts
Posted on 8/29/14 at 8:54 am to
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It seems complicated to me.


Seems complicated to me too. Like herding cats.

Haven't we tried some of this already? Do we really have the stomach (and resources) to maintain a presence over there, working toward what seems like an unattainable goal? I don't want to seem like a Debbie Downer, but "winning over the hearts and minds" doesn't seem to be working.
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