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Is Trump a master negotiator or just Paul Ryan's dupe?

Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:12 am
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:12 am
You can't have it both ways, Trumpkins.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:14 am to
So Trump as a first time pol, was elected to the greatest job in the free world, and Paul Ryan struggles to hold onto the leadership of one wing of his own party?

I'll just give you a little space to rethink your OP
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:19 am to
quote:

So Trump as a first time pol,


Trump seemed to think it would be much, much easier to negotiate with politicians than it was to cut deals.


Reality has a way of asserting itself.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
81901 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:19 am to
Trump and Bannon blew this - they are now hoping it fails per Breitbart. They should pin it on Cuck Ryan.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 11:20 am
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19064 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:22 am to
I think there are multiple moving parts to this. For one, we don't know what was agreed upon for the GOP estab to support Trumps platform and vice versa. Part of that could have been Trump agreeing to back Ryan's healthcare plan in exchange for supporting a part of Trump's agenda, whether it be border wall funding, tax reform or whatever. If you look at what's going on with Trump vs conservative repubs who don't back the plan, there isn't much negotiating from the "deal maker". So the question is what is Trump's end game? It could be that he is playing the long game, knowing Ryan's bill is a turd that won't pass. He backs it anyway knowing he has a deal in place for other agenda items. The Ryan bill crashes and burns and now he is free to back a healthcare bill more to his liking.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21920 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:25 am to
Trump isn't a conservative. We all have know that for years.
He never intended to Repeal Obamacare or even government run healthcare. How do I know that? Because he has always said he wanted a replacement.

If conservatives wanted a repeal of Obamacare they should have ALL voted for Ted Cruz(which I did not)

Because I knew...

Cruz couldn't win the general and we would have Hillary as President.
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 11:27 am
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:40 am to

quote:

Reality has a way of asserting itself.

Then why is it that Speaker Ryan is now on his way over to the Wh to grovel at Trumps feet. as we speak?

You really make this Toooooooooo easy
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40298 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:42 am to
Trump made a mistake going with Ryan's plan
This post was edited on 3/24/17 at 11:42 am
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17484 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:54 am to
Yes
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39509 posts
Posted on 3/24/17 at 11:56 am to
Ask yourself: who gets buried in the midterms if Obamacare is still law in 2018 and I think you will find your answer.
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