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re: Is there some kind of Western global conspiracy to take in immigrants?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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you can get meta with it
These are the founders of what we call 'cultural Marxism' or 'the culture of critique'. Originally, at least, these were all Ashkenazim who either fled/were kicked out of the Third Reich. They became professors at different influential universities throughout the US.
As you probably know, they refined the traditional economic Marxist argument of class warfare (ie the capitalist/bourgeois exploiting labor) in to a widespread cultural means of oppression (ie man v woman, white v non-white, later hetero v homo, cis v noncis and so on).
Now, why did they teach these things, or introduce this thought process to the West? I do not know. You will, however, as has been suggested in posts in this thread, a certain parenthetical common link between these folks.
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:31 am to Salmon
You need to understand how old old money really is and how much money old money has.
The fact that Trump did what he did in NYC with real estate is very impressive. It is hard for outsiders to do that in NYC.
The fact that Trump did what he did in NYC with real estate is very impressive. It is hard for outsiders to do that in NYC.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:32 am to zatetic
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The fact that Trump did what he did in NYC with real estate is very impressive. It is hard for outsiders to do that in NYC.
Which is why they hate him
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:33 am to goldennugget
well in the "class" argument, Jews are like Trump
the elites are WASPs and the Jewish people who had success faced the same issues as Trump
the elites are WASPs and the Jewish people who had success faced the same issues as Trump
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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the elites are WASPs and the Jewish people who had success faced the same issues as Trump
This is true. However, Jews tend to be much more ethnocentric and willing to help other Jews than nominally 'just American' whites are for each other.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:36 am to HempHead
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Now, why did they teach these things, or introduce this thought process to the West?
Let's not pretend that this is something alien to the West. The school was working within a specifically Western tradition. And having a background in these thinkers, I'm skeptical of their overall influence, especially when compared to the French thinkers of the '50's, who have been in vogue in American universities since the '80's, and the Derridian basis of which has formed the strongest defense of cultural relativity.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:36 am to HempHead
oh i get that, but if we're talking "East Coast Old Money" that ain't Jewish people and those people treated Jews the same, which is why they've created/held that group identification so strongly. it was to combat those elites
i believe you see the same thing with various Asian communities scattered across the US
i believe you see the same thing with various Asian communities scattered across the US
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:37 am to goldennugget
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Which is why they hate him
yeah...I'm sorry
but if these people are so powerful and all reaching, no way Trump ever comes to power
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:38 am to crazy4lsu
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And having a background in these thinkers, I'm skeptical of their overall influence, especially when compared to the French thinkers of the '50's,
All I'm familiar with is Focault, if I'm being honest.
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and the Derridian basis of which has formed the strongest defense of cultural relativity.
Gimme some research to do.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:39 am to Salmon
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but if these people are so powerful and all reaching, no way Trump ever comes to power
ironically (for this discussion in general), with concepts like capitalism, it's impossible to maintain that kind of power. getting away from Trump, capitalism is how many Jewish people/groups became so powerful in the face of these Wasp-elites
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:40 am to Salmon
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but if these people are so powerful and all reaching, no way Trump ever comes to power
Which is why I am willing to entertain the notion that he was 'allowed' to take power as some sort of pressure-release valve. It's plausible, but then again, the outright antagonism from authoritative sources makes me wonder.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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with concepts like capitalism, it's impossible to maintain that kind of power. getting away from Trump, capitalism is how many Jewish people/groups became so powerful in the face of these Wasp-elites
maybe in today's world, especially the internet
but how Trump came to power? NYC real estate? that is and old world, crony capitalists mecca
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:41 am to crazy4lsu
well most of these arguments go back to Rousseau
concepts like the noble savage and property rights violating our natural, godly state are the hallmark arguments of every sort of marxism
concepts like the noble savage and property rights violating our natural, godly state are the hallmark arguments of every sort of marxism
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:42 am to Salmon
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maybe in today's world, especially the internet
Jewish people in those areas did it in the 19th and early 20th centuries
they found inefficiencies in markets and undervalued areas that were deemed below the cultural elites and became experts in those areas, cornering the market. that's why they are so over-represented in areas like finance, hollywood, corporate law, etc
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:43 am to PrimeTime Money
Same group resonsible for Bolshevism/communism and the slave trade
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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property rights violating our natural, godly state are the hallmark arguments of every sort of marxism
this goes back farther than Rousseau
the anabaptists were basically marxists with a lot of their beliefs
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:45 am to SlowFlowPro
At least in the realm of finance, that's historically a Jewish sector - even in Christendom. Usury was prohibited to Christians for the vast majority of our religious era, and 'the wandering Jew' was not forbidden, so he took advantage of the non-existent market. Which is more than likely the source of long-held anti-Semitism and Jewish folks being kicked out of European countries more than 100 times.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:46 am to Salmon
yeah i mean it goes back at least as far as Jesus, b/c he made the same arguments. but Rousseau is the big dog in terms of Western thinkers b/c he basically attacked Locke's view of property rights and the then developing concept of the state of nature. i was just mainly pointing out this goes well beyond alleged Jewish influence of the 19th-20th centuries
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:47 am to HempHead
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At least in the realm of finance, that's historically a Jewish sector
again though, it's for the reasons that i stated (it's just older)
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even in Christendom. Usury was prohibited
cultural norms creating market inefficiencies they were more than willing to undertake
Posted on 2/28/17 at 9:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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again though, it's for the reasons that i stated (it's just older)
They also have a religious side to it - though I would not think any Jewish people to the left of Orthodoxy know or believe in it, the views towards Gentiles are, let's say, less than flattering. 'Exploiting' a Gentile for monetary gain isn't exactly frowned upon, at least in Talmudic understanding.
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cultural norms creating market inefficiencies they were more than willing to undertake
I honestly don't know how societies operated without at least a little bit of interest.
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