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Is the military industrial complex a form of white collar entitlement?

Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted by stendulkar
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:48 pm
Thoughts? We could have at least frozen the current defense budget for a couple of years and given some time for the DOD to come up with a list of wasteful programs that they could cut. Increased spending should have come after they proved that they can indeed cut the fat and focus spending on the best ROI programs.
Posted by Tigerdev
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:55 pm to
The military industrial complex is made stronger by the strangulation of federal hiring. Institutional knowledge in defense programs shifts ever more to the contractors due to fewer and fewer feds and military rotating out every 3 or so years
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 2:56 pm to
We are already fighting in the GT23 thread. Join us there.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:13 pm to
The military industrial complex is the biggest boogeyman out there. It only exists because of our foreign policy. In fact, it is impossible for it not to exist with our current foreign policy. If you want to maintain the status quo then buckle up and quit bitching about defense spending because this is what it costs. If you have a problem with how much it costs then start complaining about our foreign policy. This isn't a partisan issue because the foreign policy of the last 7 or 8 presidents has been virtually identical. The democrats don't actually cut spending anymore than republicans actually raise it. They may fluctuate a few billion here and there to placate their ignorant voters but there is never any real change. Democrats love spending money on the military every bit as much at Republicans do. If you think otherwise you are a fool. If you think the MIC is anything more than an unavoidable symptom of maintaining the status quo you are a fool.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:16 pm to
There is no factory in Iowa making three-piece suits for the State Department.

Think about it.





This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 3:17 pm
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:31 pm to
Bingo

And Trump isn't changing that

Despite Trumpkins saying he is against the military industrial complex
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:42 pm to
I dont think its a partisan issue. However i think the Republicans war on federal service is influenced by defense industry lobbying.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

Thoughts? We could have at least frozen the current defense budget for a couple of years and given some time for the DOD


You do know a 1/4 of the $560 billion in the budget is for salaries and benefits including retirees.Do you want to go after that?

You REALLY want to save money on almost ALL government procurement including DOD?Do away with 8A contracting.
It will save BILLIONS.I deal with federal contracts occasionally and it drives up costs by a minimum 10% on every contract I've been involved with.My last was over $2.3 million.

8A's are a complete scam and the ones I've dealt with don't even employ the people they are designed to help.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:45 pm to
If the Democrats cut the defense budget they will spend it on social entitlements.

If the Republicans cut social entitlements they will spend it on defense.

Bottom line, Congress will spend the money regardless.

No more direct taxation. Problem solved.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:46 pm to
Basically they are getting a bigger piece of the pie now
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

Is the military industrial complex a form of white collar entitlement?

No, it's a white-collar welfare / jobs program.

Some defense companies have offices in every congressional district, so that any cut in the budget will directly effect constituents and potentially cost someone a congressional seat.

When you learn that, it's hard not to see defense spending as a sham.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 3:59 pm to
A movie that needs to be watched. Seriously.

The Pentagon Wars

YouTube
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58919 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:20 pm to
No. If they were an entitlement the liberals would have no problem giving them the bump.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

Increased spending should have come after they proved that they can indeed cut the fat and focus spending on the best ROI programs.



Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
84879 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

This isn't a partisan issue


It becomes one when the President says we need to cut services to the poor and elderly in order to prop up the already bloated MIC for purely crony capitalist purposes.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

It becomes one when the President says we need to cut services to the poor and elderly


Trump said this?

Link?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

Is the military industrial complex a form of white collar entitlement?


I doubt it, but I do have my suspicions about the "Green Energy" and Environmental Industrial complex. They have become overbearing and very oppressive while only lining the pockets of the elite at the taxpayers expense.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27303 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

Some defense companies have offices in every congressional district, so that any cut in the budget will directly effect constituents and potentially cost someone a congressional seat.



So how did these guys survive between 2011 and 2015 when defense spending was being cut by ahout 15% ?You DO know it was decreased,correct?

[link=(Overall spending on national security includes the Pentagon budget as well as spending by other agencies, such as the Energy Department’s work on nuclear weapons. Spending increased in 2010 and 2011, but it has fallen every year for four years since then by a cumulative 15 percent.)]LINK[/link]

So there are defense companies in EVERY district in EVERY state?Care to name this obviously HUGE company or companies?


This post was edited on 3/18/17 at 10:20 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
71925 posts
Posted on 3/18/17 at 5:03 pm to
quote:

No more direct taxation.


Posted by OceanTiger
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Posted on 3/18/17 at 5:03 pm to
Yes
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