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re: Is "legitimate rape" placed in quotes and considered offensive because women
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:36 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:36 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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Honestly, who cares? It didn't bother me and didn't have anything to do with you. It was a tasteless ad hominem, but no harm done. It just shows that he knows I'm right. If he had something substantial, he'd use it.
I care. I've seen far too many people (some friends, some not) who've had their lives completely and utterly fricked over by rape or by false claims of rape. It's that blase' attitude that cheapens the discussion to the point where nothing can ever change.
From the way you started the thread I thought you gave an actual damn about the subject, that you weren't just talking out of your arse. Was I wrong?
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:40 pm to Bard
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Because the whole point of debating a topic is to show your point is better than the opposing. You can't do that if you are being just as wrong as they are.
There is no debate about legitimate rape. Its a nonsensical term.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:41 pm to Hawkeye95
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There is no debate about legitimate rape. Its a nonsensical term.
Highly agreed.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:45 pm to Bard
How about the term 'date rape?' Camille Paglia says there is no such thing on college campuses. Date rape is girls getting drunk, having sex, boy doesn't call the next day. She makes the claim to get boy kicked out of school.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 12:56 pm to Zach
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Camille Paglia
Has apparently never heard of "roofies". There's a fricking ocean's worth of difference between drunk sex you regret the next morning and date-rape. Anyone that can't see that isn't worth my time to research to see what else they don't know.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:12 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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I'll bet you can't answer one simple question. Was Duke Lacross a case of legitimate rape?
It was a false accusation. There was nothing but malicious intent behind it, and the person who made that accusation should have been thrown in jail. That being said, I highly doubt most cases are like that.
Just because it doesn't clear reasonable doubt doesn't mean it shouldn't be brought to trial.
If a guy pumps drinks into a girl without drinking himself or puts drugs in her system just to have sex with her, that is rape.
The issue that has always worried me is the drinking/drug/sex party scenario. If a woman makes the decision to have sex with someone, I think it is wrong to backtrack and claim rape. That being said, drugs and alcohol lower inhibitions for both parties. Unfortunately, it can easily turn into a he said she said, and I don't know any real way to deal with that other than fall back on the burden of proof being without a reasonable doubt.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:19 pm to Hawkeye95
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There is no debate about legitimate rape. Its a nonsensical term.
Since innocent men have been accused of rape and the facts later showed it wasn't rape, the term, "illegitimate rape" is used to refer to those examples where a man is accused of raping a woman but the facts prove he didn't rape her.
The term, "legitimate rape" refers to those examples where a man is accused of raping a woman and the facts prove he did rape her.
Using the term, "illegitimate rape" is just another way of saying the woman wasn't raped.
Likewise, using the term, "legitimate rape" is just another way of saying the woman was raped.
No one should get offended by the use of these two terms and everyone should understand why these two terms are now being used.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:23 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Since innocent men have been accused of rape and the facts later showed it wasn't rape, the term, "illegitimate rape" is used to refer to those examples where a man is accused of raping a woman but the facts prove he didn't rape her.
The term, "legitimate rape" refers to those examples where a man is accused of raping a woman and the facts prove he did rape her.
Using the term, "illegitimate rape" is just another way of saying the woman wasn't raped.
Likewise, using the term, "legitimate rape" is just another way of saying the woman was raped.
No one should get offended by the use of these two terms and everyone should understand why these two terms are now being used.
i maybe in your world. But in reality, its not a term that really denotes anything
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“I’ve taught police officers, and worked with police officers on every continent in the world, and that’s something I’ve never heard in my 50 years in law enforcement,” says Dr. James A. Williams, former Chief of Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces for the U.S Department of Justice, who also worked in municipal law enforcement in New Jersey. “I’ve never heard of that. Never.”
Richard Lichten, a veteran of the LA County Sheriff’s Department and expert on sexual assault investigations agrees:
“I have 30 years of experience, I’m qualified to testify in federal court on the way to investigate sexual assault crimes, and I’ve never heard of that,” said Lichten. “In all my life I’ve never heard of that.”
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:26 pm to Jcorye1
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I'll bet you can't answer one simple question. Was Duke Lacross a case of legitimate rape?
It was a false accusation.
It was much more than that. It was a perfect storm of fricktardery with all the usual race-pimps coming out of the woodwork and then being given a bullshite Buffet to dine on by a DA who went to bizarre lengths to make this case stick just to win re-election. The only redeeming quality of this fiasco was that the way the actual facts came out and what that meant was every bit as salacious as the initial racial rape charge itself. Had it not been, the press would have dropped the story the moment they realized it wasn't a white-on-black rape at all.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:41 pm to DawgfaninCa
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Since innocent men have been accused of rape and the facts later showed it wasn't rape, the term, "illegitimate rape" is used to refer to those examples where a man is accused of raping a woman but the facts prove he didn't rape her.
The fact that the word "rape" is used at all infers that rape occurred. The use of "illegitimate" is not only needlessly tedious, it's moronic. It's either rape or it's not. The end. Period. Adding such bizarre qualifiers does nothing but obfuscate.
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The term, "legitimate rape" refers to those examples where a man is accused of raping a woman and the facts prove he did rape her.
No, in the real world that's just called "rape". What you are advocating is like calling your car your "automobile car".
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Using the term, "illegitimate rape" is just another way of saying the woman wasn't raped.
No, it's a polite way of saying "she's a lying bitch" without having to offend said lying bitch.
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No one should get offended by the use of these two terms and everyone should understand why these two terms are now being used.
I am quite offended because your attempt at word play still clumsily ties "rape" to someone innocent of the crime and you expect people not to understand that.
So your desire for approval of "illegitimate rape" as a means of describing someone falsely accused is found to be... wait for it... illegitimate.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:46 pm to Hawkeye95
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i maybe in your world. But in reality, its not a term that really denotes anything
New terms for things are created every day.
The feminazis wanted to change the meaning of the term, "rape" to include sexual acts that are not rape so, as a result, the new term, "illegitimate rape" was created to describe when a man gets accused of rape even though it isn't an actual rape and the new term, "legitimate rape" was created to describe when a man gets accused of rape and it is an actual rape.
Get used to these new terms now being in the English language.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 1:51 pm to OMLandshark
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No detective arrives on a murder scene and immediately say "is this legitimate murder or an overly elaborate suicide" to a family
No.. they say "was this a murder or manslaughter."
Which is a pretty good parallel to "legitimate rape" vs illegitimate.
Intent vs outcome.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:00 pm to ManBearTiger
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No.. they say "was this a murder or manslaughter."
Which is a pretty good parallel to "legitimate rape" vs illegitimate.
No it's not because your analogy infers that all sex is rape to some degree and that's just fricking ridiculous.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:21 pm to DawgfaninCa
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New terms for things are created every day.
The feminazis wanted to change the meaning of the term, "rape" to include sexual acts that are not rape so, as a result, the new term, "illegitimate rape" was created to describe when a man gets accused of rape even though it isn't an actual rape and the new term, "legitimate rape" was created to describe when a man gets accused of rape and it is an actual rape.
Get used to these new terms now being in the English language.
links for this, thanks
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:33 pm to Bard
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The fact that the word "rape" is used at all infers that rape occurred.
No it doesn't.
The inclusion of the word, "illegitimate" directly in front of the word, "rape" means that in reality it wasn't a rape.
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No, in the real world that's just called "rape". What you are advocating is like calling your car your "automobile car".
This is no different from when the definition of the word, "marriage" was changed to include two people of the same sex and the new term, "same sex marriage" was created to describe a marriage composed of two people of the same sex.
The term, "legitimate rape" was created after the feminazis and their supporters changed the meaning of the word, "rape" to include some sexual acts which previously were not included in the old definition of the word, "rape".
If people would stop redefining the meaning of words like "rape" in order to include in the new definition those acts that were intended to be excluded from the old definition then there would be no need to create new terms like "illegitimate rape" and "legitimate rape".
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I am quite offended because your attempt at word play still clumsily ties "rape" to someone innocent of the crime and you expect people not to understand that.
If you are offended because you continue to think the use of the term "illegitimate rape" still clumsily ties "rape" to someone innocent of the crime then blame the feminazis and their supporters not me.
If they didn't change the definition of the word, "rape" to include some sexual acts which were not previously considered "rape" under the old definition of the word, "rape" then there would have been no need for these two new terms to have been created.
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So your desire for approval of "illegitimate rape" as a means of describing someone falsely accused is found to be... wait for it... illegitimate.
I'm not desiring approval of the two terms.
I'm only explaining why these two new terms came into existence and how they are now being used.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:36 pm to Bard
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Camille Paglia Has apparently never heard of "roofies".
She's a college professor right now. I think she's probably heard of them.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:42 pm to Hawkeye95
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New terms for things are created every day.
The feminazis wanted to change the meaning of the term, "rape" to include sexual acts that are not rape so, as a result, the new term, "illegitimate rape" was created to describe when a man gets accused of rape even though it isn't an actual rape and the new term, "legitimate rape" was created to describe when a man gets accused of rape and it is an actual rape.
Get used to these new terms now being in the English language.
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links for this, thanks
I know it's very hard for people like you to believe but some things have occurred in the real world that do not have links to them on the internet.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:42 pm to Bard
No one really says "illegitimate rape". You wouldn't need to. I can see where someone might say "a legitimate case of rape" when discussing whether abortions should be allowed after rape. There are a lot of false claims and would likely be even more if abortions were predicated on whether there was a rape.
Sure, it's a somewhat clumsy way to make a point, and not necessarily how I would word it.
The point is, we all speak english. We know what the words "legitimate" and "rape" mean, so it's not hard to figure out what someone means when they string those two words together. To feign confusion and offense is dishonest and douchey, but it makes for great political theater and wins points with dumb people that live off soundbites and can't be bothered to scratch the surface. Like the cop quotes above. "huh? I've never heard that ever! What does it mean?!" Give me a fricking break. Yeah, okay, guy. It's not a legal term. Touche. Now can you use your brain or context clues, or something?
If true, 41% is mind-blowing. If you want to be offended by something, be offended that there are that many crazy bitches out there ruining the lives of men and clouding the issue for the true victims.
Sure, it's a somewhat clumsy way to make a point, and not necessarily how I would word it.
The point is, we all speak english. We know what the words "legitimate" and "rape" mean, so it's not hard to figure out what someone means when they string those two words together. To feign confusion and offense is dishonest and douchey, but it makes for great political theater and wins points with dumb people that live off soundbites and can't be bothered to scratch the surface. Like the cop quotes above. "huh? I've never heard that ever! What does it mean?!" Give me a fricking break. Yeah, okay, guy. It's not a legal term. Touche. Now can you use your brain or context clues, or something?
If true, 41% is mind-blowing. If you want to be offended by something, be offended that there are that many crazy bitches out there ruining the lives of men and clouding the issue for the true victims.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:44 pm to DawgfaninCa
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links for this, thanks I know it's very hard for people like you to believe but some things have occurred in the real world that do not have links to them on the internet.
I do recall Katherine McKinnon, prof of women's studies at Mich, saying that sex between married people is rape because the man is using the woman for his evil purposes.
I also remember 'honor your hunger' in the 90s when feminists encouraged girls to get fat in order to show they don't care if men are attracted to them.
Then, there was LUGS... Lesbian Until Graduation. That was in the 90s. Hetero females went lesbo in college to show they were into feminism. Then, after graduating they got married to men.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 2:46 pm to DawgfaninCa
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I know it's very hard for people like you to believe but some things have occurred in the real world that do not have links to them on the internet.
if its a "term" there is a something on the internet for it.
if its two random words put together that have no meaning above the terms being put together, then yes it wouldn't be on the internet.
however, I did provide a link that says it has no legal or law enforcement meaning.
My guess is you dont know what the frick you are talking about.
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