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re: Is it more important that your candidate wins, or beating the Liberals no matter what?

Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:49 am to
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
55008 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:49 am to
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I want state and local independence from a possibly tyrannical central authority with the freedom to choose. You want an authoritarian central authority with the state/local compelled to follow. Let's avoid any 3/5ths comprises this time around.


I want neither

I favor state control on certain things like Finance and Insurance. Having 50 state insurance commissioners is much safer than a single national one. I favor local and regional banking to national banking. I am a huge fan to the post Depression Era laws (closer to my age) that separated Investment Banking, Retail Banking, and Insurance by law so they should not own each part of the tree.

I favor national control on defense (guns) and in country (butter) issues. I favor a National Guns and National Abortion set of laws as left to the states, a compromise will never be reached and the Far Right and Far Left will continue to raise money and get 80% of voters to the polls. Take away the donor teat from each extreme and we can spend all the dough on something else (like national defense and health care). Personally I would love smaller state regulated health care but the lobbyist, insurance companies, and big Pharma will always win if that happened.

I am a fan of Game Theory but am well aware of the power in the hands of very few. I studied Public Choice Theory and think he was right that the only thing not allowing true free markets is too much control in the hands of too few.

I have family that go back to the Democratic - Republican Party before the split and think nobody in that party would have foreseen the corruption and self interest that evolved since they split. Neither the Democrats or Republicans resemble the original party.

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I support elected accountability across the board and very limited jurisdiction/power by any central authority.


While I agree in principle this will not happen until you fix the root issue. Folks get wound up about Roe v Wade and Brown v Board of Education but the biggest harm to the overall citizens of the USA by SCOTUS is Citizens United. Allowing faceless 1% of 1% of the population to control voting and declaring they are "human" is not in the best interest of any legal citizen or any party who makes the effort to show up (in person) and cast their vote. Absentee exception to military oversees and such.

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But you support a Centralized Uniparty Bureaucracy of unelected and unaccountable person


Not really. What I fully support at both the state and national level is to cut the dead weight! Get rid of the 1/3 who are political and their job is based on who they help get elected. Get rid (or demote) the 1/3 who have passed their level of ability. Right away you get rid of 2/3's of the state and federal payroll by culling the dead weight. Fewer (but more qualified) workers would be more effective and culling all that dead weight you can recruit better workers with better pay.

As for the military, I am older and remember the WPA (butter) and a that military (guns) and know that during that period the WPA trained skilled workers on the government bill, but they had long term skills (jobs) for the rest of their working life. I remember a military that was about 50% labor (jobs) and 50% non labor (tech) and see no real benefit to tech now gobbling up 90% to a handful of bloated companies sucking on the taxpayer teat. You can build all the drones you want but you actually need boots on the ground to occupy the land.

Think previous POTUS sending missiles in the Middle East to blow up a 50 dollar hut. The enemy was using that scrap metal to buy more guns and bombs. Just never made sense to me.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73285 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:49 am to
Every. Single. Time.

The closest anyone has ever come was tarzana and CelticDog, and fricking lol at them being Meatballers.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18158 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 11:56 am to
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Well a few of them actually fricking spam post on this board - constantly. They even bring it up from time to time, trying to defend it. But I don't need to put them on blast. If you post here long enough, you'll figure it out.

What I figured out is you're full of shite and you proved it with this post.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:23 pm to
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And if I suggested Disney


Who said this was Ron's call?

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No real man wants to get married at Disney.


See above. Why on Earth, other than your own bias, would you assume Ron was the one that "wanted" to get married at Disney, and not the more obvious case that his wife did and he said, "Sure...whatever you'd like."

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he hired clowns like yourself to ruin him


Ah, so now I'm paid by DeSantis. Or if it just that my simply being someone that prefers him over Trump make me a clown?

Did you blow Chicken or something? How exactly did you get out of TD jail?
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
43008 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:17 pm to
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Is it more important that your candidate wins, or beating the Liberals no matter what?

without reading the discussion - the answer is 'beating the liberals is more important' = if by liberal you mean whoever is ID'd as the Democrat candidate.

The Democrat party of today is the most evil thing that has happened to America since the acceptance of slavery. And we finally fixed that problem.
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
2556 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:42 pm to
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So, if Ron wins and faces Biden, what will you do?


Ron can only win if they take out Trump, physically or with lawfare. If that happens do you have a vote, an election or are stupidly participating in a selection?
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
20552 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 3:03 pm to
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What I figured out is you're full of shite and you proved it with this post.



Jon Ham, arguably the BIGGEST Ronnite on this board, is an admitted former Obama supporter. Others have also admitted to being former converts from at least his first term.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18158 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:34 pm to
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Jon Ham, arguably the BIGGEST Ronnite on this board, is an admitted former Obama supporter

That's one. You said "a lot of them" are former Obama voters.

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Others have also admitted to being former converts from at least his first term.

Who?

One down, supposedly "a lot" more to go. Let's have them.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162281 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 6:50 pm to
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He’s not going to

Not surprised that you don't know how a hypothetical question works
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
14016 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:44 pm to
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This right here is why the uniparty of government has total control of this country. As long as there is this mentality and they can keep you distracted with us vs them, they can do whatever they want and we lose.



Shove this uniparty bullshite up your arse. Do you really think there is no difference in the way Florida has been ran under DeSantis and the way California has been ran under Newsom? Just because both parties suck off the dicks of the doner class does not mean they are the same goddamn party. Tigers and bears both walk on four legs, are furry, and eat meat. That does not make them the same animal. Republicans at least still believe in individualism and letting individuals make the most decisions about their lives as possible. Democrats are collectivists who want the state to make everyone's decisions about everything for them.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19730 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:01 pm to
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Others have admitted to being former converts


Only a Trump supporter would consider it a bad thing that someone who had once voted for Obama, now supports the most conservative governor in the country.

Can you folks not understand this?
Posted by lsursb
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
11647 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:44 pm to
I’m for Ron but beating the liberals is the ultimate goal.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
18027 posts
Posted on 9/9/23 at 8:20 pm to
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Why you’re against Vivek and RFK JR I think, currently, Vivek says all the right things, but I have ZERO trust in a guy that called himself apolitical very recently. He's not 22, he's deep in his 30s and a wealthy man. If he was truly apolitical, you don't suddenly start sounding like the most conservative guy in town. Something doesn't add up. Plus, I don't think he's actually running to become the POTUS. I think he's clearly running as Trump's stalking horse. quote:RFK JR The "K" stands for Kennedy. He's still a Dem. The fact that he's more of an old school, not fully insane Dem is great and all and it's better than the current alternative, but I'd still not vote for him over nearly anyone on The Right.



I agree with everything you said.


Except I trust Kennedy more than most politicians on the “right?”


Also

Like somebody said….

“What do you have to lose?”


There are only three candidates that seem to be determined to defeat the corrupt evil deep state


That’s Trump, Vivek, and Kennedy



That’s why everybody in the establishment DC and media are against all three

And are doing their best to destroy them

That’s all I need to know
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