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In fighting for rural america, I am afraid the GOP is going too far. (long)

Posted on 7/15/17 at 7:59 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 7/15/17 at 7:59 pm
So I finally got around to reading Hillbilly Elegy, which will be a historical book mainly because of the 2016 political events, but I have thoughts on the issue that many on this board may find unpopular.

A troubling aspect of modern politics is refusing to criticize and look objectively at the constituents that vote for you. The democrats lost their way on immigration over the last 15 years because in Mexican and south American immigrants they saw stalwart and reliable voters who would be very important in future elections. In the 1990s, immigration experts and political strategists didn't know of this hidden gold mine of political power yet, and it is why bill clinton sounded a lot like trump on immigration issues.

Because of the political capital this new development represented, you started hearing less and less criticism of large-scale immigration from establishment democrats, which both dispelled wrong-headed beliefs they may have held but also made them blind to some other obvious issues immigration can cause, when unchecked.

It's similar to issues in the black community. The democrats have a basic deal in place with black voters: "we will fight for you against the system that ruins your life, and in return, we would appreciate your vote". The issue with this, like immigration, is that it does not pay to look at personal and cultural problems that affect this community as well. Becuase voters, of all stripes and creeds, much rather want to be told that they are victims rather than that they are partially liable for the current mess they are in. It's why the democratic party, and most dem politicians, do not talk about out of wedlock births and crime rates when they go and talk to black groups.

I am noticing the republican party doing THE EXACT SAME THING regarding rural voters. Don't misunderstand me; like african americans and other groups the dems appeal to, there does exist some systematic reasons why rural america is seeing so much rot and decline. Unbalanced trade deals, environmental and other regulations that disproportionately affect rural citizens (gas tax, for example). But in appealing to these people, who for the first time, are basically all over the country giving GOP more and more power at all levels, the GOP is abandoning some of its principles, including personal responsibility.

The irony is that the biggest issues that affect rural america are the same issues that are wrecking urban america: out of wedlock births, rampant drug and alcohol use, government dependency, and crime.

When did Donald Trump ever mention this in his speeches in west virginia, southern ohio, and northwest wisconsin?

He didn't. He instead said they were in the place they are in because the system is rigged against them.

This is a fundamentally unconservative position. Conservatism has always been about stressing personal and familial and cultural improvement, but the GOP is not showing any sort of tough love to this newly powerful constituent group.

Just like the democrats lost their way on immigration, republicans are losing their way on personal responsibility.

Instead of going to these forgotten towns and telling people "I am fighting for you", we as conservative should be saying "I am fighting with you". It's an important difference, because rural ameriacns are not innocent. Drug, alcohol, and cultural issues are solved in the home, in the churches, and in the schools. Job displacement can be solved by adapting rather than whining.

Both parties need to start showing tough love to the groups that put them into office, and it is time to accept that many of the problems we face come not from the system, but from the culture. From chicago to the smallest county in west virginia.
Posted by Mr.Perfect
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
17438 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:01 pm to
Solution: get the government out of central planning at the micro level.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:05 pm to
Couple points, although I agree with the spirit of your OP.

- the GOP has never given a goddamn about personal responsibility. The GOP suburban voters like to hear their politicians blame those who are too poor to live in their white picket fence suburbs for their own situations. It makes them feel better about their own success.

- Trump mentioned the opioid epidemic in several places.

Carry on.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69289 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:06 pm to
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get the government out of central planning at the micro level.
this is not what the gopand trump is selling rural voters.

"The system is rigged and ruining your life" tends to mean more government action.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69289 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:07 pm to
quote:

Trump mentioned the opioid epidemic in several places.
Trump blamed the drug problem on illegal aliens and a porous border. Never blamed people for actually putting it in their mouth,
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:10 pm to
When your opponent paves a winning road for you, it's hard not to take it.

The left has been rather open about being the "frick you white people" party for quite some time.

They cater to it. They invite people who think it to their parties. They proudly yell about "demographics is destiny and on and on.

I really have no idea how it was that they thought they could do that forever and that all that would happen is, the minority vote would grow while the white vote distributed the way it always had?

In what political world has it ever been that OPENLY hating a group of people has no effect upon their voting patterns?

Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10201 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:17 pm to
Pretty solid post.

Like you said, it doesn't pay any political party to criticize their own voting bloc.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140358 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 8:20 pm to
I grew up in very rural America. If you have questions...
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67077 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:18 pm to
He also blamed the Obama era FDA for oversubscribing such a dangerously addictive substance. Most people hooked on opioids started out getting it legally as a prescription for pain due to an on the job accident, car collision, or medical malady. The problem is that opioids are addictive in smaller quantities than the fda had declared safe to prescribe. People addicted to opioids are victims.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29678 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:28 pm to
here is where I take issue with your assessment - what "goodies" were promised to rural voters?

therin lies the fundamental difference

illegals are promised lax enforcement of immigration laws (or even open borders) & access to welfare & medical services

blacks are promised everything under the sun

but what has Trump promised rural America, other than to create an environment that allows them to be successful?
Posted by jlntiger
Member since Feb 2011
1440 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:54 pm to
Lots of good points your statement. I will go ahead and say what I think as a life long republican voter. After 8 years of Obama you have Trump and complete control of congress and you haven't done jack shite except appoint a SC justice. It really makes me wonder if both parties in D.C. aren't in cohoots to screw over the everyday American
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 9:56 pm to
You are totally right, but unfortunately this is the new normal. Our country is balkanizing along racial lines and whites have to stick together at the ballot box just like any other racial group now and in perpetuity to avoid getting completely screwed. I wish it wasn't this way, but the fact is that white identity politics is the future of the GOP. It has always had to end up this way.

Downvoters are boomercucks living in the past. Movement conservatism is D E A D.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 9:19 am
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29032 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 10:04 pm to
Solid OP, bud.

Raise some solid points.


In order to MAGA...."accountability" has got to make a comeback...in all forms.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29451 posts
Posted on 7/15/17 at 10:06 pm to
quote:

you have Trump and complete control of congress and you haven't done jack shite except appoint a SC justice. It really makes me wonder if both parties in D.C. aren't in cohoots to screw over the everyday American

Been saying this for awhile. They've been talking about how they can't wait to repeal Obamacare and now they've been handed the keys to the Ferrari and we find out they can't drive a stick.

Well they can but they don't want to. If people lose health care Big Pharma loses money. They are the ones pulling the strings. It's becoming clear the politicians don't want to repeal the ACA.

Why else would a republican majority Senate, House, and President be unable to create a bill they can agree on?
Posted by Yak
DuPage County
Member since May 2014
4672 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 12:44 am to
quote:

I will go ahead and say what I think as a life long republican voter. After 8 years of Obama you have Trump and complete control of congress and you haven't done jack shite except appoint a SC justice. It really makes me wonder if both parties in D.C. aren't in cohoots to screw over the everyday American
Man, I'm glad others are seeing this as well. The daily praise Trump thread above this touting high jobs, when he himself not 6 months ago saying 30, 40, 45% unemployment. But now 6 months later it's miraculously all better and shitty min wage jobs are not an issue anymore.

Same shite, different POTUS
Posted by JustLivinTheDream
Member since Jan 2017
3496 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:06 am to
quote:

both parties in D.C. are in cohoots to screw over the everyday American


Posted by Abadeebadaba
LSU fan @ FSU
Member since Sep 2010
4983 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:47 am to
We need to go get back to people voting for people. Right now, it is people voting for their candidate or the one who mud slings the best.
Posted by SquirrelyBama
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/16/17 at 7:01 am to
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Posted by tide06
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Posted on 7/16/17 at 7:11 am to
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Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:18 am to
quote:

this is not what the gopand trump is selling rural voters. "The system is rigged and ruining your life" tends to mean more government action.

bullshite. How is pointing out the "rigged" media blatantly colluding with leftists to prevent any actual change in how government should work advocating for more government interference into private lives?
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