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Immigrants do not lower real wages; should not be a reason to oppose immigration
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:46 am
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:46 am
Everyone always stops at the first effect and says that's that but it is not all that. The first effect is indeed that wages in labor markets with a increase in supply of workers WILL see a decrease in wages. But that's not the whole picture
A decrease in labor costs is like a decrease in any other input cost. It reduces prices for the consumer good that those inputs were used to make. that raises the REAL wage of every single person who uses buys that consumer good. If a widget costs 10 bucks before an immigrant tide into the labor market for widgets and 5 dollars after the tide lowers wages and therefore costs, your income to buy widgets has doubled. Buying 2 instead of 1 because the price was halved is not different than buying 2 instead of 1 because you were given ten extra bucks in the non-tide market.
It goes even further than that: if a good whose price goes lower because the labor costs used to produce it decrease, then that not only benefits consumers who buy that good but also firms who use that good in their OWN production. If a widget is used as an input to make a bidget, then bidget prices would also fall. It's a ripple effect that sends positive shockwaves throughout the entire country.
Please don't use this argument to oppose immigration
A decrease in labor costs is like a decrease in any other input cost. It reduces prices for the consumer good that those inputs were used to make. that raises the REAL wage of every single person who uses buys that consumer good. If a widget costs 10 bucks before an immigrant tide into the labor market for widgets and 5 dollars after the tide lowers wages and therefore costs, your income to buy widgets has doubled. Buying 2 instead of 1 because the price was halved is not different than buying 2 instead of 1 because you were given ten extra bucks in the non-tide market.
It goes even further than that: if a good whose price goes lower because the labor costs used to produce it decrease, then that not only benefits consumers who buy that good but also firms who use that good in their OWN production. If a widget is used as an input to make a bidget, then bidget prices would also fall. It's a ripple effect that sends positive shockwaves throughout the entire country.
Please don't use this argument to oppose immigration
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:48 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
bullshite. A higher labor supply means lower labor prices, especially when a massive percentage of that supply works for less than minimum wage.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:48 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Who opposes legal immigration done according to our laws?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:50 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
It's not immigration, immigration has a process that people follow, this is simply breaking our laws and borders.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:52 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Assuming you are talking about illegal immigrants:
First things first. If you are here illegally, you cannot have rights in the US. You can't bounce around that to get to your topic at hand.
First things first. If you are here illegally, you cannot have rights in the US. You can't bounce around that to get to your topic at hand.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:55 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
i wonder if I will have to give the money back cheap labor has saved me the last four years?
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:55 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Mass unchecked illegal immigration from third world hell holes leads to third world problems here. Forget wages and look at the outbreak of diseases in this country that have virtually been eliminated but are now reemmerging thanks in part to a subpopulation of illegal immigrants who have not been properly vaccinated before entering this country.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:55 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Who opposes immigration? Not many.
What I oppose is unchecked immigration.
We need to keep unwanted people out, and encourage people who want to take part in society who can provide skills, labor and who can take care of themselves.
This has not been the case.
What I oppose is unchecked immigration.
We need to keep unwanted people out, and encourage people who want to take part in society who can provide skills, labor and who can take care of themselves.
This has not been the case.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:10 pm to kingbob
Lower labor prices is NOT where the story stops
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So do you or do you not support 6+ billion people immigrating to the US?
If you do support it then don't bother replying because you are an idiot...
If you don't then please explain why?
If you do support it then don't bother replying because you are an idiot...
If you don't then please explain why?
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Lower labor prices is NOT where the story stops
For smaller businesses it is, labor savings goes right into my pocket.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:21 pm to Lakeboy7
Not necessarily, if the labor is unskilled and the work has latent defects and has to be remediated at your expense then there go the savings.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
If you work in the construction industry or building trades you would feel differently.
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
No, it also contributes to higher medical costs (uninsured indigents seeking ER care), higher car insurance costs (from uninsured motorists), greater usage of federal entitlements (WIC, Section 8, medicare, medicaid), votor fraud (illegal immigrants using issued drivers licenses to register to vote in elections), and more strain on local school districts (waves of immigrant children who cannot speak English swamping local school districts) with next to zero contributions in taxes to any of these things.
Illegal immigration is a massive massive problem, one of the biggest problems we face (debt crisis, entitlements, war on drugs, regulatory overreach, interventionist foreign policy, taxation, healthcare, education, ect)
Illegal immigration is a massive massive problem, one of the biggest problems we face (debt crisis, entitlements, war on drugs, regulatory overreach, interventionist foreign policy, taxation, healthcare, education, ect)
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