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Immigrants do not lower real wages; should not be a reason to oppose immigration

Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:46 am
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69289 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:46 am
Everyone always stops at the first effect and says that's that but it is not all that. The first effect is indeed that wages in labor markets with a increase in supply of workers WILL see a decrease in wages. But that's not the whole picture

A decrease in labor costs is like a decrease in any other input cost. It reduces prices for the consumer good that those inputs were used to make. that raises the REAL wage of every single person who uses buys that consumer good. If a widget costs 10 bucks before an immigrant tide into the labor market for widgets and 5 dollars after the tide lowers wages and therefore costs, your income to buy widgets has doubled. Buying 2 instead of 1 because the price was halved is not different than buying 2 instead of 1 because you were given ten extra bucks in the non-tide market.

It goes even further than that: if a good whose price goes lower because the labor costs used to produce it decrease, then that not only benefits consumers who buy that good but also firms who use that good in their OWN production. If a widget is used as an input to make a bidget, then bidget prices would also fall. It's a ripple effect that sends positive shockwaves throughout the entire country.

Please don't use this argument to oppose immigration
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67079 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:48 am to
bullshite. A higher labor supply means lower labor prices, especially when a massive percentage of that supply works for less than minimum wage.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140394 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:48 am to
Who opposes legal immigration done according to our laws?
Posted by TennesseeFan25
Honolulu
Member since May 2016
8391 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:50 am to
It's not immigration, immigration has a process that people follow, this is simply breaking our laws and borders.
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
22939 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:52 am to
Assuming you are talking about illegal immigrants:

First things first. If you are here illegally, you cannot have rights in the US. You can't bounce around that to get to your topic at hand.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:55 am to
i wonder if I will have to give the money back cheap labor has saved me the last four years?
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19042 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:55 am to
Mass unchecked illegal immigration from third world hell holes leads to third world problems here. Forget wages and look at the outbreak of diseases in this country that have virtually been eliminated but are now reemmerging thanks in part to a subpopulation of illegal immigrants who have not been properly vaccinated before entering this country.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36020 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:55 am to
Who opposes immigration? Not many.

What I oppose is unchecked immigration.

We need to keep unwanted people out, and encourage people who want to take part in society who can provide skills, labor and who can take care of themselves.

This has not been the case.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69289 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:10 pm to
Lower labor prices is NOT where the story stops
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21873 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:15 pm to
So do you or do you not support 6+ billion people immigrating to the US?

If you do support it then don't bother replying because you are an idiot...

If you don't then please explain why?
This post was edited on 1/28/17 at 12:25 pm
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

Lower labor prices is NOT where the story stops



For smaller businesses it is, labor savings goes right into my pocket.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36020 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:21 pm to
Not necessarily, if the labor is unskilled and the work has latent defects and has to be remediated at your expense then there go the savings.
Posted by dansr731
Slidell
Member since Dec 2009
589 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:25 pm to
If you work in the construction industry or building trades you would feel differently.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67079 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 12:28 pm to
No, it also contributes to higher medical costs (uninsured indigents seeking ER care), higher car insurance costs (from uninsured motorists), greater usage of federal entitlements (WIC, Section 8, medicare, medicaid), votor fraud (illegal immigrants using issued drivers licenses to register to vote in elections), and more strain on local school districts (waves of immigrant children who cannot speak English swamping local school districts) with next to zero contributions in taxes to any of these things.

Illegal immigration is a massive massive problem, one of the biggest problems we face (debt crisis, entitlements, war on drugs, regulatory overreach, interventionist foreign policy, taxation, healthcare, education, ect)
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