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re: If you believe that Russia is a hoax...
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:21 pm to crescentcity
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:21 pm to crescentcity
Hacking by foreign entities has been a major problem for years now, under several dif admins.
Its an incredibly complicated and rapidly evolving theatre of war. We are weakest in that war front, no doubt.
Some of the most costly corporate hackings occured under Obama, that isnt a swipe at him... its just the reality that other players capabilities have dramaticly risen.
China uses corporate espionage as a way for their state run businesses to stay competitive. Oil field studies some companies spent millions on to help develop land purchase strategies, were taken in mere moments by what appeared to be chinese hackers. This is a huge deal, but gets buried on page 9 with nary a mention by any politician in Washington.
DNC emails get published, and you'd think the russians bombed pearl harbor the way some politicians act.
Thats my problem with this whole shitshow.
Its an incredibly complicated and rapidly evolving theatre of war. We are weakest in that war front, no doubt.
Some of the most costly corporate hackings occured under Obama, that isnt a swipe at him... its just the reality that other players capabilities have dramaticly risen.
China uses corporate espionage as a way for their state run businesses to stay competitive. Oil field studies some companies spent millions on to help develop land purchase strategies, were taken in mere moments by what appeared to be chinese hackers. This is a huge deal, but gets buried on page 9 with nary a mention by any politician in Washington.
DNC emails get published, and you'd think the russians bombed pearl harbor the way some politicians act.
Thats my problem with this whole shitshow.
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:39 pm to rumproast
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Russia is not a hoax. Collusion is an absolute hoax.
There is unanimous agreement on hacking.
The intelligence agencies have determined that there were many contacts between Trump associates (Manefort, Carter Page etc). So they are investigating those contacts in light of the Russian hacking and the lying about those contacts from Mike Flynn and others.
That's not a hoax. Its an investigation. If there is nothing there then quit whining about it.
Certainly Trump raises questions when says he fired Comey because of the Russian investigation. That investigation not only has to do with contacts but also the nature and extent of the Russian hacking.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:45 pm to crescentcity
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Why did Sessions say under oath that Russia was a serious threat to our democracy?
First thing is we aren't a democracy. That has been said a multitude of times. We are a Republic of Laws--too many of course, but laws nonetheless.
The whole Russian fiasco is a ruse. The threat to our Republic exists no further than Washington D.C. and our local and state governments who are corrupt, stupid, insolent, irresponsible, etc. etc. etc.
Russia would have to not only get a politician high enough into office, but also lobby them to amend current laws or pass laws that freak America and benefit Russia.
So far, I only see the globalists who have influenced our Republic to our loss over the last few decades and that is why we put Trump in office.
A collective "freak you" to the establishment and world elite; we know who influences elections. We hope Trump is who he claims to be during the campaign and so far he has not disappointed.
Freak all Never Trumpers, lunatic socialist fools, and every idiot who pushes this Russian garbage. Anyone who took part I consider apart of the cabal whether willingly or idiotically; high up or lower peon and a direct threat to our Republic.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:47 pm to crescentcity
quote:Because.....
If Russian hacking is a serious threat to our democracy why hasn't Trump done a single thing about it???
His name was Seth Rich.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:49 pm to TrueTiger
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The lesson here is to jealously guard your cyber systems.
So does that mean putting these systems in a spare bathroom is a good idea or bad idea?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:50 pm to ChexMix
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Whether the hacking of the DNC was done by Russian Government has not been confirmed.
An NSA report said that there was no doubt that Russian military intelligence attempted to interfere in the election.
[quote]LINK ]
Comey said he had no doubt about it.
If you have better sources (besides Presdident Putin) saying that there is no evidence, lay your cards on the table.
Absent that, I'll go with the people who are paid to know.
The collusion is a part of a larger, completely necessary investigation. If so many people like MIke Flynn had not lies about their contacts, no one would be talking about collusion.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:51 pm to crescentcity
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There is unanimous agreement on hacking.
No there isn't. There is agreement that Russia has played with our politics for 60 plus years.
The term "Hacking" leads people to think that attempts to hack were successful. No evidence of that...
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The intelligence agencies have determined that there were many contacts between Trump associates (Manefort, Carter Page etc).
Nope.. Comey testified to that last week.
Here is the link to that
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'Not true': James Comey denounces NYT report on Trump campaign collusion with Russia during testimony
That was Comey's response to the NYT article: "Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence," was published on Feb. 14.
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That's not a hoax. Its an investigation. If there is nothing there then quit whining about it.
Maybe it's time you took your own advice. There is nothing.... Stop whining about it.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:51 pm to crescentcity
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If Russian hacking is a serious threat to our democracy why hasn't Trump done a single thing about it???
And yet Obama gave Russia a 'reset' button
And yet Obama sold uranium to Russia
And yet Obama whispered in Russia's ears that he would go easier on them after his re-election
And yet Obama laughed at Romney and Palin for being concerned about Russia
Now do you wanna ask if Russian threat is being taken seriously?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:56 pm to IAmReality
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The hoax is the idea that Trump was actively colluding with them.
The possibility that Trump associates colluded with the Russians is not a hoax.
Trump fired Mike Flynn because he lied about his contacts, including those with Russia.
If you watched his interview on NBC, Trump himself did not rule out the possibility that his associates had colluded with the Russians.
Certainly you'll allow that if other Americans colluded with Russia it should be investigated.
Trump urges Russian to hack HRC
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:57 pm to crescentcity
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An NSA report said that there was no doubt that Russian military intelligence attempted to interfere in the election.
This is entirely different than what you are claiming. Comey told you, Clapper told you etc.... Russia has been doing this since the 60s.
Now please explain to all of us in this thread:
1- Why does the dems burn the USA flag at your conventions
2- Use socialist flags at the convention
3- Had to be called out on not putting up american flags on your stage before you put them up?
YET you shout russian interference?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:57 pm to crescentcity
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Why did Sessions say under oath that Russia was a serious threat to our democracy?
If Russian hacking is a serious threat to our democracy why hasn't Trump done a single thing about it???
Huh?
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:58 pm to crescentcity
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Why did Sessions say under oath that Russia was a serious threat to our democracy?
If Russian hacking is a serious threat to our democracy why hasn't Trump done a single thing about it???
Because you touch yourself at night.
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Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:00 pm to crescentcity
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The possibility that Trump associates colluded with the Russians is not a hoax.
Except for the fact that Comey stated under oath that wasn't the case.
Gave you the link.. If you are going to ignore it, then I suggest everybody leave you to wallow in your misery.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:01 pm to crescentcity
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If Russian hacking is a serious threat to our democracy why hasn't Trump done a single thing about it???
He's barely been in office 4 months and he's been doing a shite load of other things?
If the Russians are hacking it won't matter again until midterm elections, so he has some time to figure it out?
This post was edited on 6/13/17 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:02 pm to FutureRATeammember
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Your mentality is so 1980s bro
Not according to our intelligence agencies in 2017, bro.
I'm unaware of Russian cyber attacks on US elections in the 1980s.
But fill me in.
Post Soviet Union Russia was a complete mess that suffered one of the greatest financial collapses in history. They've not been a threat to the United States at all for most of the last 20 years.
This is a recent development. Do a little reading on the subject.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:06 pm to Calvin Coolidge
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I would like to see the same degree of scrutiny applied to an investigation of the Seth Rich murder as has been applied to the Trump - Russia collusion allegations.
Russia's cyber attacks have been confirmed by our intelligence agencies, members of both parties in Congress and the Senate, the former and current FBI directors (everyone except our president).
The Seth Rich story has been debunked by every serious person involved, including his parents.
But I'm sure you have your reasons.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:08 pm to crescentcity
Jesus Christ people have gone off the deep end
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:08 pm to KingSlayer
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What exactly was he supposed to do as a private citizen while the Obama administration failed in their duty to protect our sacred election from Russian hacking?
He's the President now.
The ball is in his court.
He's done nothing.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:13 pm to KingSlayer
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Which one of those steps he took will prevent them from hacking the next election?
The intelligence reports said that the Russians were aided in their attempts to influence the election by their US diplomatic staff and two compounds in New York and Maryland from which they conducted intelligence operations. Obama closed those compounds.
Let's live in the present now. Comey said that as FBP director Trump did not ask hm once about Russian hacking episodes. Today, Sessions said the same thing.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 7:18 pm to rumproast
I don't agree with Lindsey Graham often but on this particular subject I do.
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