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Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:34 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:34 am
Archived: Hartnett: US Interest To Hit $1.6 Trillion By Year End, Making It The Largest US Government Outlay

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Several days ago, we were the first to point out two new striking developments in the Dollar's crusade to lose reserve currency status: i) after hitting $1 trillion in late 2023, interest expense on US debt rose to a record $1.1 trillion in late March, and ii) while US debt is now rising at a pace of $1 trillion every 3 months, US interest expense is rising at a just as torrid $100 billion every 4 months (this interval will also shrink to three months very soon).

It didn't take long for this original observation to make its way to our favorite Wall Street strategist, BofA CIO Michael Hartnett, who in his latest Flow Show note dedicated his entire "Biggest Picture" segment to - you guessed it - the quantum leap higher in interest expense, which also Hartnett correctly notes is a "big motivation" for Powell to cut rates to "constrain the surge in interest costs" which he amusingly calls "Interest Cost Control" policy, borrowing another term we have


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260680 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:48 am to
They'll raise taxes, it's inevitable at this point. No one has a plan to cut the deficit.
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7516 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:57 am to
Presidents of both parties have been spending like crazy for the last 20 years. We need to get back to electing former governors who understand balancing a budget and can stand up to congress also.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
2041 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:00 am to
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Presidents of both parties have been spending like crazy for the last 20 years. We need to get back to electing former governors who understand balancing a budget and can stand up to congress also.


Presidents dont spend. We can thank our principled "conservatives" in Congress

*yall can downvote all you want but ive seen this song and dance enough to have it memorized. The same "Daily Wire conservatives" that call out Trump...tuck their tails and surrender to the left on the budget at every turn
This post was edited on 3/31/24 at 11:08 am
Posted by Auburn80
Backwater, TN
Member since Nov 2017
7516 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:05 am to
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Presidents dont spend. We can thank our principled "conservatives" in Congress


Presidents can stop it with veto power. Clinton was fiscally conservative and balanced the budget. He was wildly liberal on the social side.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118846 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:06 am to
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Presidents of both parties have been spending like crazy for the last 20 years.


Until we figure out how this government works, it will never meet our expectations.

I understand presidents can influence spending, but they do not approve the sopping list and if they do it's only ceremonial
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260680 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:06 am to
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Presidents dont spend


Then you don't blame Biden or Obama either.

Strange take.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118846 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:07 am to
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Presidents can stop it with veto power.


Up to a point.

Then congress will just override the president.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118846 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:07 am to
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Then you don't blame Biden or Obama either.


Correct.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260680 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:08 am to
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We need to get back to electing former governors who understand balancing a budget and can stand up to congress also.


All have been practicing MMT.

Good economic times should result in lower government spending, period.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32801 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:09 am to
All of this debt and spending and life has only gotten harder for the American people. Mortgaging the future of the country to provide NOTHING to the people funding it.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
2041 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:11 am to
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Then you don't blame Biden or Obama either. Strange take.


Do I blame 17 year old who buys drugs and crashes multiple new cars...or the father that keeps giving that 17 year old money and new cars? I blame both
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260680 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:11 am to
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of this debt and spending and life has only gotten harder for the American people. Mortgaging the future of the country to provide NOTHING to the people funding it.


Then stop voting for it.

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118846 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:11 am to
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Clinton was fiscally conservative and balanced the budget.


Clinton was forced to balance the budget due to a Newt Gingrich. He had no choice. The House overwhelmingly flipped to GOP and DC got the message to spend wisely. They did.

That was a perfect example of how the people held their congressional representatives accountable for responsible spending.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5034 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:12 am to
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Then congress will just override the president.


The majority of the time Congress won't be able to override the veto. It takes an alleged crisis like COVID to align both parties.

This post was edited on 3/31/24 at 11:14 am
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32801 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:12 am to
R, D, doesn’t make a difference. Voting means nothing, elected officials don’t run this country.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260680 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:12 am to
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Do I blame 17 year old who buys drugs and crashes multiple new cars...or the father that keeps giving that 17 year old money and new cars? I blame both


Particularly a guy who campaigns on ending debt.

That guy was a fraud
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260680 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:15 am to
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R, D, doesn’t make a difference.


Because the population is getting dumber.

80% if this board couldn't pass a basic civics or econ class.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118846 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:18 am to
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The majority of the time Congress cannot override the veto. It takes an alleged crisis like COVID to align both parties.



Fine but elect more uncompromised representatives to the House and you will never have to worry about an executive that wants to run up credit card debt.

If an executive that wants to run up the credit card debt, they are only capable of doing so because he is given authority by our representatives.

We really should be more focused on our representatives. I think we do a decent job of it here on this board but probably not enough.

For example I know there a lot of principled conservatives that hate MGT and Boebert but in terms of budgets they vote very conservatively.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260680 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 11:20 am to
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really should be more focused on our representatives.


A common theme repeated over the last few years.

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