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I hope this continuing Trump saga teaches this board that LEO is your enemy

Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:20 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:20 am
And the police state is real.

Take this recent raid on Trump.

-Questionable "sources"? Check
-Intentionally vague and small search focus? Check
-Motivated targeting? Check

This same stuff that happens to Trump happens literally multiple times every single day in this country against ordinary citizens. LEO uses questionable sourcing to create an affidavit that a willing judge will review when signing a search warrant. The items to be searched will be small enough to give LEO power to look anywhere on the property itself (including panty drawers). LEO will manufacture "probable cause" against targets they believe have committed crimes, but have no real evidence to rely on, and use these search warrants to find evidence of some sort of crime (even if it's not related to their initial claims, like looking for Jan 6 evidence on the back of a warrant focused, allegedly, on national archive documents).

Anyone still using/wearing graphics like this needs to stop:



Trump needs to stop being a big supporter of our current Police State/LEO institutions. We need real criminal justice reform across the nation. If LEO can be targeted improperly on a former President, then imagine what it can do to you.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:23 am to
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We need real criminal justice reform across the nation.


I’m unconvinced.
Reform of laws means nothing if our personal morals are corrupt.

There’s a proverb of something to the effect of “laws that have to be written down are useless.”

We don’t have a Justice system problem. We have a personal morals problem.

Eta: I still upvoted.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 8:24 am
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:24 am to
I know a few cops. The ones I know are good people but one I know got kicked out of HS at 20 years old and then got a GED. It always amazed me that someone that couldn't finish HS has power over other people's lives as he does.

Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:26 am to
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We don’t have a Justice system problem. We have a personal morals problem.


Africkingmen
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:30 am to
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We don’t have a Justice system problem. We have a personal morals problem.

I don't disagree with this argument, but we can reform certain aspects (like larger protections against state intrusions/searches) that will be very +EV
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:32 am to
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I know a few cops. The ones I know are good people

I'm not talking about specific individuals. I'm talking the system/institutions and the legal framework we as a society have permitted
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:33 am to
I thought it was cool of Newsweek to post this.
The GOP is learning what blacks folks have known forever.

I saw a black woman got into it with Jimmy Dore on this. His position was, when a teaching point opportunity like this comes up with the right, welcome them to the party. Don't rip them for being hypocrites.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:33 am to
To piggyback on my earlier statement:

If Peter Strzok had done the same thing 50 years earlier, he would’ve been shunned from polite society.

The government would have fired him.

The news would have excoriated him.

Why? Because of the laws? No. Because the personal moral compasses (in the collective, at least) were mostly pointed in the same direction.

That is not even close to the case now.

One of the reasons the modern, “thinking” person hated/hates Trump is that he used their own subjective morality against them. He was our first post-truth President. That’s not a mark in his favor. But he was playing the game by the current rules established.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:34 am to
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when a teaching point opportunity like this comes up with the right, welcome them to the party. Don't rip them for being hypocrites.

Well that creates a new victim class which I'm sure she doesn't like.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27349 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:35 am to
The entire LE and Intel communities need to be torn to the ground and rebuilt... There is no way to root out all of the corruption that has been allowed to fester over the years...
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:36 am to
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One of the reasons the modern, “thinking” person hated/hates Trump is that he used their own subjective morality against them. He was our first post-truth President.

I think Bush or Obama would qualify as this.

The issue you seem to be discussing seems to be the polarization I post about on here often.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111776 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:36 am to
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I don't disagree with this argument, but we can reform certain aspects (like larger protections against state intrusions/searches) that will be very +EV


And they will all be corruptible. I don’t say that to advocate for despair. To despair is mortal sin and I’m not even Catholic.

In the end, we are an empire in decline. A quote I remember from one of the National Review articles I read in college goes something like:

The United States is dead. We are currently in the unenviable position of sitting around and watching the body cool.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:37 am to
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I'm talking the system/institutions and the legal framework we as a society have permitted



Thats what we want as a society, you know to keep certain types in line. There is so much irony in this situation...
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
54192 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:37 am to
Former CIA agent Larry Johnson went in dry on the bureau.

quote:

Full disclosure. I once respected the FBI. I coordinated with Floyd Clarke, the FBI’s Deputy Director in 1990 on the State Department’s Terrorism Rewards Program. I met Floyd at the Friar’s Club in NY City in the summer of 1990 and we discussed the upcoming public service ads that I was producing. Floyd was a fine man.

I count Larry Mefford, Chris Whitcomb, Ed Ball, Denny Kline, George Alznauer and other FBI retired agents as friends. All good, honorable men. I worked closely with the FBI in going after the Libyans who bombed Pan Am 103. I was there when the FBI discovered, thanks to the CIA, where the Libyans obtained the timer (a MEBO timer) in Switzerland that was used to blow up Pan Am 103.

But that is past. The current FBI is evil, corrupt and criminal. Men like James Comey, Andrew McCabe and Peter Strzok have discarded sacred principles in favor of partisan politics and in the process discredited the FBI as a bona fide law enforcement agency. It is time to disband the FBI and assign the Federal agents to other departments. The FBI can no longer be trusted.

In the summer of 1990, I was participating in a counter terrorism exercise at Fort McClellan in Alabama. At that time the Emergency Support Team (which was then classified) relied on the CIA for “hostage negotiation.” I was working with the FBI Special Agent in Charge from Mobile, Alabama. As we talked I learned he had far more expertise in negotiating with criminals/terrorists than the CIA. In fact, the CIA had zero experience. One of the lessons learned from that exercise (and subsequently adopted as policy) was to put the FBI in charge of hostage negotiations.

That was then. I no longer trust the FBI. It has become a political monster and must be dismantled. I realize in stating this that I may be declared an enemy of the state. frick them. This is about preserving what remains of the U.S. Republic. A country that my ancestors fought and died for. As some of you know, my 5th Great Uncle, Charles Thomson, was Secretary of the Continental Congress.

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I have another friend. He was the number two guy in DEA’s office in New York City. He orchestrated the capture of Kiki Mosquera, the man who organized the bombing of an Avianca flight at the behest of Pablo Escobar. After my friend Jack slapped cuffs on Mosquera (it was a rainy night in Queens, NY), the FBI tried to charge him with obstruction of justice. FBI wanted the glory and were ready to try to prosecute a fellow American for locking up a bona fide terrorist. Jack always hated the FBI. Now I know why.

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Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111776 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:38 am to
quote:

The issue you seem to be discussing seems to be the polarization I post about on here often.


Yes. I think the polarization is a factor in our system’s demise. People excuse a rip in the fabric of our morality with their side winning.
Posted by CID 310
Heart of Dixie
Member since Feb 2009
490 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:38 am to
Sounds more like we need to reform/ disband the alphabet agencies. They are the ones submitting affidavits to activist federal judges who are appointed to life terms by politicians.

State judges are elected by the people.

This disgusting behavior has nothing to do with state and local cops.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111776 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:39 am to
You wouldn’t know irony if its dick slapped you in the face.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:40 am to
BLM MAGA
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“frick the police”
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
4527 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:40 am to
i definitely agree with the overarching theme you bring up.

quote:

Trump needs to stop being a big supporter of our current Police State/LEO institutions

LEOs are people with a job to do. They need better leadership. I am not defending any of them, just see them as people doing their jobs. FTR, they are not my friend.
Posted by Lucky_Stryke
central Bama
Member since Sep 2018
1912 posts
Posted on 8/12/22 at 8:42 am to
Dont lump Federal frick Bois with your local LEO. trust me they are a totally different breed indoctrinated from the far left and from the top down. Told repeatedly how right wing extremism is the enemy and its been going on for years IE ruby ridge. This hasnt happened overnight. The left has implemented a plan 30 plus years ago and GOP hasnt done shite in 30 years.
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