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re: I can't understand why people are this passionate about killing babies.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:34 pm to SmackDaniels
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:34 pm to SmackDaniels
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Please explain to me the exact moment life begins because I don't understand.
Think we can all agree life begins at conception. Now, when do you assign value to said life? That's the question, and that's the divide.
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:34 pm to SmackDaniels
I woulda laid that fat bitch out
she probly killed her on so now she's upset at those who would stand up for the defenseless
she probly killed her on so now she's upset at those who would stand up for the defenseless
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:36 pm to SmackDaniels
i've come to conclusion that women that react in that manner to anything thats pro-life had an abortion and feel extreme guilt over it
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:37 pm to Choctaw
yup
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:45 pm to SmackDaniels
Watching that video makes me want to reconsider my prolife stance.
Just kidding.
Just kidding.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:50 pm to HeadChange
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Now, when do you assign value to said life?
Good question.
What is the average time before a woman even realizes she's pregnant? 4-5 weeks?
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:03 pm to SmackDaniels
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Now, when do you assign value to said life?
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Good question.
Biology has already answered that question. You become a genetically unique human being with the initiation of cell division at conception, thus life.
It's not that complicated.
Now if you want to define life though metaphysical and/or consciousness terms then the definition of life becomes very complicated and impossible to define.
Pro-choicers like to take the latter route for obvious reasons.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:06 pm to SmackDaniels
I'm not even sure. Is that about when morning sickness kicks in?
And is 4-5 weeks too late or too early to assign any kind of meaning to the life? Some will say yes, some will say no. Who is right and who is wrong? Both sides can make an argument IMO
And is 4-5 weeks too late or too early to assign any kind of meaning to the life? Some will say yes, some will say no. Who is right and who is wrong? Both sides can make an argument IMO
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:12 pm to HeadChange
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And is 4-5 weeks too late or too early to assign any kind of meaning to the life?
No. Not at all, what I'm thinking is this is probably the earliest that someone could have an abortion for the most part.
You can't have an abortion if you don't know you're pregnant of course.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:13 pm to SmackDaniels
Chick prolly had an abortion. It's not rocket science.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:13 pm to SmackDaniels
She seems to have anger issues!
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:15 pm to Hog on the Hill
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That's the equivalent of "I don't understand why people are this passionate about hating and controlling women's lives"
No, why are some women so passionate about having the final say on infanticide? That is what abortion is, right? Do men get a say? I'd say it is more about hatred for men and denying them reproductive rights.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:15 pm to HeadChange
quote:If one argues that the value of life can increase doesn't logic dictate that the value of life can decrease as well? What should society do with respect to a life it deems has too little, or even zero, value?
Think we can all agree life begins at conception. Now, when do you assign value to said life? That's the question, and that's the divide.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:26 pm to SmackDaniels
What I don't understand is those that believe the old," it's a woman's body and she can do what she wants with it" argument, but then they will turn around and say a 7 month old fetus is a viable and she shouldn't be allowed to abort it? If you believe the," her body" argument, shouldn't she be allowed to abort the birth right until the baby comes out?
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:31 pm to SmackDaniels
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You can't have an abortion if you don't know you're pregnant of course.
Right, but if you're in the party that says all life has meaning, then the morning after pill should be (nearly?) the same as getting an abortion.
Some people probably see it that way. In this particular case, I don't.
The question I guess, for me, is what gives life meaning? Just life in general? Just human life? Just potential human life? Or does life gain meaning once life is actually experienced? (memories, experiences, emotion, etc...)
It really, to me, is a pretty tricky subject. I can make sense of both sides of the argument.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:32 pm to HeadChange
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Or does life gain meaning once life is actually experienced? (memories, experiences, emotion, etc...)
I don't have any memories before 3 or 4. Glad you weren't my mom.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:35 pm to Poodlebrain
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If one argues that the value of life can increase doesn't logic dictate that the value of life can decrease as well? What should society do with respect to a life it deems has too little, or even zero, value?
That's a good question. Who is dictating when life is or isn't valuable? Is it ok for someone else to dictate that or is it up to the person experiencing it?
And by life, in this context, I'm talking about conception, cells, embryos, fetuses, etc...Not killing senior citizens or whatever crazy angle this board can take sometimes.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:37 pm to HeadChange
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And by life, in this context, I'm talking about conception, cells, embryos, fetuses, etc...Not killing senior citizens or whatever crazy angle this board can take sometimes.
I would argue that a consistent stance on life would be able to handle all ages, not just zygotes, babies or the elderly singularly.
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:37 pm to HeadChange
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Right, but if you're in the party that says all life has meaning, then the morning after pill should be (nearly?) the same as getting an abortion.
Now we are using logic. This is debatable and I can listen to both sides on this as well. I'll also listen to the cases of rape, incest etc... which actually only make up 1% of all abortion cases.
What I won't bend on is the 6 weeks, oh I screwed up, I can't raise a baby so I'll dispose of it because it's my body argument bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:39 pm to the808bass
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I don't have any memories before 3 or 4.
Ok? I'm not saying your life was meaningless prior to you having memories of it. I'm just asking what makes life valuable? Is all life valuable? Is some? None? I don't know, just asking in general.
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Glad you weren't my mom.
You should be glad because you would have been aborted.
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