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I am starting to think we shouldn't allow the government to execute citizens
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:53 am
However I can't quite square that with recognizing the some individuals are beyond rehabilitation and deserve to be removed from society permanently.
Anyone else struggle with this?
Anyone else struggle with this?
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Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:53 am to weagle99
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I am starting to think
Stop it
Profit
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:53 am to weagle99
The only answer is Thunderdome.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:54 am to Centinel
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The only answer is Thunderdome.
Who run Barter Town? MASTER BLASTER
TWO GO IN, ONE COMES OUT
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:55 am to weagle99
a jury of your peers are the ones who actually do it. If im not mistaken, you need 11/12 or 12/12 for a death penalty conviction in DP states.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:55 am to weagle99
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I am starting to think we shouldn't allow the government to execute citizens
However I can't quite square that with recognizing the some individuals are beyond rehabilitation and deserve to be removed from society permanently.
Anyone else struggle with this?
I struggle with the idea that those in power would get to say so.
They don't exactly have a flawless record in this area.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:57 am to weagle99
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I am starting to think we shouldn't allow the government to execute citizens
Agree
quote:
Anyone else struggle with this?
Not really. The government can't even kill people efficiently, so the one upside to this whole deal is non existent. More importantly, killing these turds doesn't compensate the victims at all. It's just the state getting more tax money.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:57 am to weagle99
Not at all.
But, I do believe that we should have a different standard for the death penalty.
For guilt, it should be "beyond a reasonable doubt."
For execution, it should be "beyond ANY doubt."
But, I do believe that we should have a different standard for the death penalty.
For guilt, it should be "beyond a reasonable doubt."
For execution, it should be "beyond ANY doubt."
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:58 am to skrayper
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I struggle with the idea that those in power would get to say so.
The very core of my anti death penalty position.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:58 am to weagle99
You wouldn't hesitate to put down a rabid dog, not for revenge but because its a danger to society. Some people just need to die, and we have a system in place that requires a conviction by a jury, best that can be done. Life imprisonment is crueler than a quick death in my opinion. Those are the only two options for the kind of people on death row
This post was edited on 4/21/17 at 10:59 am
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:58 am to weagle99
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However I can't quite square that with recognizing the some individuals are beyond rehabilitation and deserve to be removed from society permanently.
Isn't that what a life sentence in prison means?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 10:59 am to weagle99
The punishments in criminal justice system should be about rehabilitation (when possible) and public safety (keeping killers off the streets).
The death penalty is vengeance
The death penalty is vengeance
Posted on 4/21/17 at 11:00 am to Parmen
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TWO GO IN, ONE COMES OUT
No no no...
Two men enter, one man leaves.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 11:00 am to weagle99
I believe executions should be in the manner of the murder. The guy given lethal injection in Ark last night murdered a lady by striking her with a tire iron 39 times.
He should have been executed the same way.
He should have been executed the same way.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 11:00 am to skrayper
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I struggle with the idea that those in power would get to say so.
Like was said above, those in power don't get to say so. They just execute.
A jury of your peers makes the decision, or at least the recommendation to the judge.
If I remember correctly, at least in Alabama, the jury first has to find you guilty of capital murder, then has to agree to recommend the death penalty.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 11:02 am to MasterofTigerBait
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The punishments in criminal justice system should be about rehabilitation (when possible) and public safety (keeping killers off the streets).
The death penalty is vengeance
No, it should be about victim compensation. Everything else is the state jerking itself off.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 11:02 am to TheAlmightySmash
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jury of your peers are the ones who actually do it. If im not mistaken, you need 11/12 or 12/12 for a death penalty conviction in DP states.
This is incredibly naive.
The jury sees what the judge and DA want them to see.
How many times have DA 's withheld exculpatory evidence to ensure a conviction even though they knew the defendant wasn't guilty? Even for a DP case? That's just state sanctioned murder at that point.
Posted on 4/21/17 at 11:04 am to NYNolaguy1
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How many times have DA 's withheld exculpatory evidence to ensure a conviction even though they knew the defendant wasn't guilty? Even for a DP case?
I don't know. How many times?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 11:04 am to weagle99
I don't struggle with this at all. No level of gov't should be allowed to execute its citizenry. The gov't at all levels is totally inept. Why would you allow them to make permanent life and death decisions?
Posted on 4/21/17 at 11:05 am to weagle99
I think it's time to bring back public hangings
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