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Howard Dean: The First Amendment Doesn't Protect 'Hate Speech,' You Know
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:21 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:21 am
I'm convinced that Democrats would repeal the first amendment if they could.
And yes, the first amendment DOES protect hate speech.
I wonder if the Dims would be okay with Trump and Jeff Sessions deciding what is and is not "hate speech"?
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And yes, the first amendment DOES protect hate speech.
I wonder if the Dims would be okay with Trump and Jeff Sessions deciding what is and is not "hate speech"?
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Howard Dean ? @GovHowardDean
Hate speech is not protected by the first amendment. https://twitter.com/greenhousenyt/status/854881174044520449 …
5:13 PM - 20 Apr 2017
641 641 Retweets 1,294 1,294 likes
Again, yes it is. And the standard by which we test and uphold the American value of free speech is how we safeguard people's right to engage in unpopular speech. And Dean may want to rethink his position on this issue. As numerous people pointed out on Twitter, in the not too distant past, Dean was suggesting (joking?) that perhaps Donald Trump was a cocaine user. I'm sure many Trump supporters would argue that this was slanderous and hateful trolling. Under Dean's restrictive view of the First Amendment, is it time to lock him up? No place for H8, etc. In fact, Dean and other pro-censorship puritans scolds are at least bordering on justifying threats of violence and mob rule to shut down speech to which they strongly object. But again, be careful what you wish for, leftists -- a point made succinctly by David Burge in a delightfully simple formulation that we've showcased before:
29 Nov
Doucheous @Doucheous
@iowahawkblog who's asking sympathy from a lump who equates hatespeech laws to a 1A threat from a PEOTUS who lies ad nauseam?
cc:@benshapiro
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David Burge @iowahawkblog
.@Doucheous @benshapiro tell you what: I'll let you ban hate speech when you let me define hate speech.
10:16 AM - 29 Nov 2016
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Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:22 am to L.A.
To quote SFP:
Hate speech should be the most protected speech
Hate speech should be the most protected speech
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:25 am to upgrayedd
To quote Dave Chapelle quoting Howard Dean:
BYAH!
BYAH!
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:28 am to L.A.
Scary to think what that party has become in a short amount of time.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:32 am to L.A.
quote:Hentoff was probably the greatest advocate for the 1st Amendment - he was such a free speech absolutist that he even opposed libel laws.
Nat Hentoff (June 10, 1925 – January 7, 2017) was an American historian, novelist, jazz and country music critic, and syndicated columnist for United Media. Hentoff was the jazz critic for The Village Voice from 1958 to 2009.
He often wrote on First Amendment issues, vigorously defending the freedom of the press.
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While at one time a longtime supporter of the American Civil Liberties Union, Hentoff became a vocal critic of the organization for its advocacy of government-enforced university and workplace speech codes.
Hentoff's book Free Speech for Me—But Not for Thee outlines his views on free speech and excoriates those whom he feels favor censorship in any form.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:33 am to upgrayedd
quote:He's right. And liberals USED to know that, before they lost their minds and became a bunch of whiny little 12 year old girls
To quote SFP:
Hate speech should be the most protected speech
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:36 am to L.A.
The scary thing is, who decides what is hate speech? And who does it apply to?
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:38 am to L.A.
Correct, Hate Speech is protected under the 1A. See R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul
The 1A fascinates me. Definitely my favorite course of study in law school
The 1A fascinates me. Definitely my favorite course of study in law school
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:39 am to L.A.
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He's right. And liberals USED to know that, before they lost their minds and became a bunch of whiny little 12 year old girls
Yep.
I want the idiots to voice their opinions so we can see who the morons are.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:40 am to Sun God
Posted on 4/22/17 at 12:42 am to L.A.
The whole point is to protect speech that isn't popular. If everyone agrees with what you're saying then there's no threat that anyone is going to try to silence you. What a ridiculous thing to say.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:00 am to beaverfever
quote:Technically, the main original point was to protect speech against government. But it certainly was meant to protect all speech, including some speech that is "illegal" like yelling fire in a crowded theater.
The whole point is to protect speech that isn't popular.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:11 am to L.A.
Howard Dean is the most irrelevant cu*nt in the United States
How is that 50 state strategy going a-hole
How is that 50 state strategy going a-hole
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 1:12 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 1:19 am to L.A.
I bet Venezuela acquired some beautiful speech laws after the people spoke in 1998. They won! They celebrated! Now they are starving and dying at the hands of their government!!!
Posted on 4/22/17 at 2:31 am to L.A.
Free speech only protects you from the Government.
It doesn't protect us from others disrupting us.
My free speech doesn't supersede others free speech
It doesn't protect us from others disrupting us.
My free speech doesn't supersede others free speech
Posted on 4/22/17 at 3:25 am to L.A.
so it's illegal for one person to tell another that he/she hates him/her?
ok Howard, you're weird and stupid
ok Howard, you're weird and stupid
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 3:28 am
Posted on 4/22/17 at 4:19 am to Giant Leaf
quote:
Howard Dean is the most irrelevant cu*nt in the United States
but he isn't
he is not alone in thinking like this, not by a long shot
when you look at what is happening on college campuses, i.e. attempts to restrict freedom of speech & expression (see restriction against conservative ideas, not just at Berkeley, but across the board); and the new definition of "rape" and the loss of due process for the accused) - you should be scared
when you see a super wealthy person like Soros funding activities that are violent attempts to suppress the opposition...
when you see a major US city allowing terroristic thugs to violently attack peaceful rallies (again Berkeley with police ordered to stand down while people are being attacked)...
when you see people rioting because the party in power is talking about not providing them with enough free services that they did not work for or earn...
when you see the lower courts blatantly ignoring not just written law, but actually ignoring blatantly clear law written into the body of the Constitution (i.e. - the reversal of Trump's EOs on travel restrictions)...
it starts to become pretty clear that the road to totalitarianism is not such a far fetched idea for the USA
the examples I cited, coupled with Dean's statement spotlight just how critical it was to get Trump in office & just how important the Gorsuch nomination was - not to mention the next 2 or 3 nominations on SCOTUS and the may more lower court appointments...
it may be that we are only just being given a reprieve
seems like this country is almost too far gone to come back
this kind of shite (Dean's comment) is not just annoying and ridiculous; it is pretty damned scary
I fear for my country and the direction we are going - laugh if you want, but roughly half the country agrees with Dean & that includes most of the younger generation
we are in real trouble guys - can we fix this??? I don't know that we can
Posted on 4/22/17 at 4:58 am to L.A.
Of course, the left calls any conservative position 'hate speech', so that's really convenient for them.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:30 am to L.A.
quote:
I'll let you ban hate speech when you let me define hate speech.
The surest way to drive a DIM/LIB from a debate is to insist they define the attack words they are using.
Posted on 4/22/17 at 5:32 am to beaverfever
quote:
If everyone agrees with what you're saying then there's no threat that anyone is going to try to silence you.
And there is no reason to say it. Then it's nothing more a pep rally.
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