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How its failure to replace Obamacare threatens the rest of the GOP agenda
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:29 pm
In my lifetime I've never seen a more miserable failure for a one party controlled Congress.
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Stunning as it is to witness the demise of the Republicans’ health reform effort, perhaps the most surprising piece is who played the role of executor.
Moderates were widely expected to decide the fate of this bill, but no. In the end, it was brought down by two of the more reliably conservative voices in the Senate chamber — and just days after Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell accepted demands to move the bill dramatically right-ward.
This failure raises an ominous question for the whole Republican agenda. Looking beyond health care, will they ever be able to satisfy conservative purists and still assemble a coalition of 50 votes?
The math is not auspicious. Republicans control a slim 52-seat majority in the Senate. Which means any trio of defectors can break a bill. And now we know there exist at least three conservatives willing to derail legislation in the name of deep principle or self-interest. But the precedent is now set, and could haunt all future efforts.
The next big push is expected to involve tax reform. House Republicans have begun moving ahead with plans to overhaul the tax code and cut federal spending, but nearly all the details are TBD. Ditto from the White House, which has little to say about the nitty gritty even as it gears up for a nationwide push in support of big tax changes.
Many big questions remain unanswered. Should tax reform be revenue-neutral, with cuts in one area offset by closing loopholes? Or is the goal to cut taxes in hopes of super-charging the economy? Even if that means a widening deficit?
In politics, issues like these generally get worked out through compromise, horse-trading, and pressure from leadership. But that approach failed with health care, and there’s no reason to think tax reform will be easier.
Sure, cutting taxes is an idea with a broad support in the Republican party — but the same could be said of repealing the affordable care act (aka Obamacare).
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:30 pm to Toddy
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In my lifetime I've never seen a more miserable failure for a one party controlled Congress.
You do realize that the cause of this problem was enacted solely by the DNC in 2009?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:32 pm to Toddy
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will they ever be able to satisfy conservative purists and still assemble a coalition of 50 votes?
That's the question.
If you ask me, the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus has ruined Republicans' ability to govern.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:33 pm to Toddy
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the Republicans’ health reform effort
The mere fact that this is being address only 8 years after the implementation is damning on Obama's signature achievement as President.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:33 pm to Decatur
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If you ask me, the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus has ruined Republicans' ability to govern.
Not really.....if the fricking GOP were conservative like they're supposed to be the Tea Party would have never been created.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:34 pm to Toddy
Democrats give us a steaming pile of shite stacked upon a wall. On either side of this wall is a person and congress is deciding which way to push it over.
Rand Paul wants to remove the steaming pile of shite all together. I like this plan.
Rand Paul wants to remove the steaming pile of shite all together. I like this plan.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:34 pm to Decatur
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If you ask me, the Tea Party/Freedom Caucus has ruined Republicans' ability to govern.
because every solution isn't "MOAR GOVERNMENT" ?
what solution is there to fix the ACA other than "Spend a shite ton more money"?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:34 pm to Decatur
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If you ask me the tea party/freedom caucus has ruined the republicans ability to to be just like the democrats
FIFY
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:35 pm to DabosDynasty
exactly
if "ability to govern" only means "Add more government/spending" then it is a meaningless phrase
if "ability to govern" only means "Add more government/spending" then it is a meaningless phrase
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:36 pm to Toddy
If Trump can't even get 50 republicans to vote the same way on an Obamacare repeal, the thing they've all been crowing about for 7 years, he damn sure isn't getting tax reform through.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:exactly.
if "ability to govern" only means "Add more government/spending" then it is a meaningless phrase
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:37 pm to Toddy
You weren't alive for bill Clinton's first term?
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:37 pm to Antonio Moss
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You do realize that the cause of this problem was enacted solely by the DNC in 2009?
...and Republicans have run for years on "fixing" it, no?
If you can't reliably wield power there's no justification for making the case for having power.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
I wonder sometimes why someone with an ounce of reason didn't explain to Trump that if he came into the White House solely focused on real tax reform, it would have passed, and he would have glided right in to a second term.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:41 pm to Antonio Moss
because his message was constructed based on appealing to precise population centers across America
"Repeal and Replace" was a significant message in some crucial district somewhere so he kept it up
"Repeal and Replace" was a significant message in some crucial district somewhere so he kept it up
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:43 pm to WheelRoute
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If you can't reliably wield power there's no justification for making the case for having power.
I would argue failing to wield power is still a better alternative than wielding in such a manner that its sends 1/6th of economy into chaos.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:44 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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If Trump can't even get 50 republicans to vote the same way on an Obamacare repeal, the thing they've all been crowing about for 7 years, he damn sure isn't getting tax reform through.
tax reform is goign to be really tough, but I think it has a better chance of success than healthcare. You can genuinely put something for everyone in it.
I think the problem is it will realistically take a year. I doubt many Rs or Ds will want to vote on something like this next summer.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If "ability to govern" only means "add more government/spending" then it is a meaningless phrase.
I think that's exactly what they mean and I think you're exactly right, "it is a meaningless phrase."
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:45 pm to Antonio Moss
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I wonder sometimes why someone with an ounce of reason didn't explain to Trump that if he came into the White House solely focused on real tax reform, it would have passed, and he would have glided right in to a second term.
my understanding is that it was a procedural thing. That if you tackled health care first, it would make the tax reform easier to get through. You could count the savings in the healthcare reform against the revenue losses from tax reform.
Posted on 7/18/17 at 12:46 pm to DabosDynasty
i guess meaningless is the wrong word to use there (because it has meaning "spending more"), but you get it
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