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re: How Government ruins private industry to control land

Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by willthezombie
the graveyard
Member since Dec 2013
1546 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:54 pm to
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I wonder what the government does with all the catfish shite in the river.


shhh! they are going to regulate once they get the cowfart regulations
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42578 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:54 pm to
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Did you know that the Moorhead bayou drains 15,000 acres of row crop and catfish pond farmland?

Unless you are a clever liar, your analyses make sense to the engineering part of me. I have yielded to your expertise/knowledge of this subject as I have none.

I do have lots of commons sense and a huge cynical attitude towards the way bureaucrats maintain their power. I can usually spot an inane argument. So far I am siding with you.

I am outta here as to substantive input. If I find something I think you are not covering wrt the Link, I may pop back in, but that thing is hard to follow. The one area Rex identified doesn't seem to support his assertion, especially with the additional detail you just provided.

I could only point out that the report itself did not actually say that AC was causing the pollution.
Posted by Rex
Here, there, and nowhere
Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:55 pm to
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The one area Rex identified doesn't seem to support his assertion,

What assertion? I didn't make an assertion.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54207 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 6:59 pm to
This was posted in our paper 2/7/14. I assume they are the same outfit.

quote:

Allens Inc, a Siloam Springs-based canned vegetable company in Chapter 11 bankruptcy, will be sold to Sager Creek Acquisition Corp. for $124.78 million if approved by a bankruptcy judge.

Sager Creek is owned by investment funds controlled or advised by Sankaty Advisors LLC and GB Credit Partners LLC.

The agreement was reached after an auction was held. A hearing to approve the bid is scheduled for Tuesday.

In late October, Allens filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Western District of Arkansas. Court filings show that Allens owes its primary lenders $114.36 million and its secondary lenders $65.6 million, and had between $100 million and $500 million in assets.

Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42578 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:02 pm to
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What assertion? I didn't make an assertion.

your assertion:
quote:

Page 21 says that the model showed that Allen Canning's effluent continued to violate discharge standards.


No - it said that the standards were still in violation downstream of AC's effluence.

The previous statement said the standards were in violation ABOVE the AC effluence.

They never said how good/bad AC's effluence was - only that the AC effluence didn't eliminate the problem.

If I missed where they attributed the violation to AC, then please point that out. If it involves reading and understanding all the jargon, you win.

I will just refer you to deltaland's most excellent analysis of the situation.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 7:04 pm
Posted by Rex
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Member since Sep 2004
66001 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:06 pm to
?????

Page 21....

quote:

The model output shows, furthermore, that the DO standard continues to be violated as a result of the effluent from Allen Canning.


Whatever....

Like I said, Allen Canning might have been totally innocent later. I'd like to know how deltaland knows that.
This post was edited on 4/15/14 at 7:10 pm
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68502 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:08 pm to
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So, I'm taking from this that you think it's OK to have untreated open air cesspools?

If nobody is using it and there are no harmful chemicals coming in contact with people, why the frick do you care?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90576 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:16 pm to
Yea that's the same company they have plants operating in numerous locations. I'm just talking about one specific plant that closed years ago.

I'm not familiar with their current issues elsewhere but hopefully whoever bought the company can turn it around,
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42578 posts
Posted on 4/15/14 at 7:29 pm to
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The model output shows, furthermore, that the DO standard continues to be violated as a result of the effluent from Allen Canning.

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Whatever....


so, you cannot parse the phrase 'continues to be violated' - is that right?

analogy = water that it 80% polluted advances to the AC plant effluent.

AC dumps pure water into the stream.

Water leaving the AC effluent is still 70% polluted.

quote:

standard continues to be violated as a result of the effluent from Allen Canning


So, AC is at fault, right?
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