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How badly did Bernie get crushed? Even WaPo agrees he was demolished
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:32 pm
Cruz totally outclassed Sanders in last night’s debate
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Sanders’s call for tax increases for the rich appeared to be knee-jerk and punitive rather than part of a serious economic policy. And even though the mainstream media would never admit it, if there were ever a contest to determine who is the “thinking person’s” candidate, Cruz would beat Sanders by a mile.
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I was surprised at how Sanders stuck to the same basic liberal platitudes of more taxes and more spending and the socialist call for free college. The debate showed just how limited Sanders’s range is as a politician. He has a few new socialist slogans but no real plans.
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Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:33 pm to IAmReality
Bernie is willfully ignorant of economics, it's not that he doesn't understand, it's that communism requires a suspension of disbelief with regards to economics and basic math
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:34 pm to IAmReality
Because, like the rest of the left, he thought he could just yell "it's all rich white people's fault", while Ted Cruz had facts, charts, and documentation to back up his stances.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:35 pm to IAmReality
He is the Larry David of Politics
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:36 pm to IAmReality
Do democrats and liberals not understand that "free college" is a massive give away to kids from upper middle and rich families?
Data shows that poor students ARE LESS LIKELY to attend college, not because of lack of affordability, but because they don't have the grades or don't want to.
I think it is unjust to tax the poor and lower middle class so rich kids can go to school "for free".
Data shows that poor students ARE LESS LIKELY to attend college, not because of lack of affordability, but because they don't have the grades or don't want to.
I think it is unjust to tax the poor and lower middle class so rich kids can go to school "for free".
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Not to mention that it is already incredibly easy to go to college if you are willing to take on loans or can get grants
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:41 pm to NIH
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The whole idea of a college degree being the ticket to a better future is a specious one anyway.
50 years ago most people did not go to college. The reason a college degree helped you so much was it let employers know you were likely much more intelligent, educated, and prepared than someone without a degree.
Employers want to hire the best people and a degree carried prestige.
Giving every single person in the world a college degree robs it of its power. Giving a bunch of morons diplomas doesn't automagically make them good potential employees.
Employers will still want to be selective and will just come up with new characteristics to sort their candidates on, as simply "having a degree" won't mean anything.
50 years ago most people did not go to college. The reason a college degree helped you so much was it let employers know you were likely much more intelligent, educated, and prepared than someone without a degree.
Employers want to hire the best people and a degree carried prestige.
Giving every single person in the world a college degree robs it of its power. Giving a bunch of morons diplomas doesn't automagically make them good potential employees.
Employers will still want to be selective and will just come up with new characteristics to sort their candidates on, as simply "having a degree" won't mean anything.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:41 pm to IAmReality
Anyone, even those who have similar economic beliefs as Bernie, who thought Bernie was anywhere near the same class as Cruz when it came to debate, should be laughed at relentlessly. That's Cruz's happy place. Bernie's happy place is in a bongo circle at an OWS camp out.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:44 pm to NIH
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Bernie is willfully ignorant of economics, it's not that he doesn't understand, it's that communism requires a suspension of disbelief with regards to economics and basic math
I agree with this in general. I think at this point, however, Bernie may actually be so far down the rabbit hole of communism that really doesn't understand at all anymore.
The terrifying thing is, there are a whole lot of people in this country that would be perfectly happy with him as president. The fact that more people don't see this as terrifying is doubly so.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:44 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:45 pm to IAmReality
Bernie is fricking nuts when it comes to economic policy. Cruz it him to say over and over again that if he were president everybody's taxes are going way up. It just doesn't make any sense 
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:46 pm to IAmReality
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Sanders
has 3 lake houses. Dude is a complete hypocrite.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:47 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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The terrifying thing is, there are a whole lot of people in this country that would be perfectly happy with him as president. The fact that more people don't see this as terrifying is doubly so.
Bernie's platform wrapped up in a cool black or hispanic guy would've equaled a win in 2016, certainly very possible in the future.
Romney was right in 2012, we have half of the country(and growing) dependent on some form of government welfare and are voting for those benefits cycle after cycle
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:47 pm to IAmReality
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Giving every single person in the world a college degree robs it of its power. Giving a bunch of morons diplomas doesn't automagically make them good potential employees.
Employers will still want to be selective and will just come up with new characteristics to sort their candidates on, as simply "having a degree" won't mean anything.
There's essentially NOBODY in this country whose position in life would be bettered by attending college, who is presently UNABLE to attend college by any reasonable determination.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Data shows that poor students ARE LESS LIKELY to attend college, not because of lack of affordability, but because they don't have the grades or don't want to.
True, but Bernie would bring us back to LBJ's Basic opportunity grants. If you were poor and graduated from HS with an ACT of 1 and a GPA of 0.1 you got free tuition for one semester. A lot of illiterates who had a HS diploma (because that's the kind of HS they attended) looked at it as a free vacation before flunking out and settling down to a life of crime.
It created chaos at low level colleges. IE, USL would have a freshman fall class of 2,000 and hire appropriate staff. Then the spring class was down to 1,000 and staff had to be let off.
Ronald Reagan abolished the program.
I'm not familiar with SUNO but I've read that their graduation rate is something like 5%. Sounds like most freshman entering there are looking to have a good time before flunking out.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:48 pm to IAmReality
i posted this a few weeks back:
So I went and saw my family a few weeks back. I have a 15 year old nephew who is a great kid. Good grades, hard worker. Works 40 hours a week for my father in Law in the summers out in West Texas. His dad made a comment about blowing his college savings. He says, if we just made it free for all, then it wouldn’t be a problem.
I ask him to expound. He says that it would give everybody a better shot at a better life.
I say, that’s great but who pays for it? He says we all do.
I reply, who paid for mine? What happens if my kids or you don't go to school. I worked 50 hour weeks to not starve and make it through school with no debt.
He said well that’s a good point.
I ask about people that go for 2 years, and drop out. How much of his dad's and my money did that waste?
He said good point.
I ask how much he thinks taxes would go up? He said I guess a couple of hundred a year. I ask how much he thinks school costs.
No idea.
I tell him that A&M has almost 70k students this year and costs around 100k for 4 years. So that’s 70,000 x 100,000 = 7 billion dollars. You just raised taxes 7 billion dollars for one single university to graduate 4 classes. That’s ignoring our taxes that already go to public education.
I say "now my numbers are off, and that’s not at all accurate, but do you understand why it’s not really a good way of doing this moving forward?"
He says, you make good points, but wouldn’t it just be easier if it were free for everybody?
Bernie Sanders makes the same arguments of my 15 YO nephew. He at least concedes and admits when there are other valid points being made.
So I went and saw my family a few weeks back. I have a 15 year old nephew who is a great kid. Good grades, hard worker. Works 40 hours a week for my father in Law in the summers out in West Texas. His dad made a comment about blowing his college savings. He says, if we just made it free for all, then it wouldn’t be a problem.
I ask him to expound. He says that it would give everybody a better shot at a better life.
I say, that’s great but who pays for it? He says we all do.
I reply, who paid for mine? What happens if my kids or you don't go to school. I worked 50 hour weeks to not starve and make it through school with no debt.
He said well that’s a good point.
I ask about people that go for 2 years, and drop out. How much of his dad's and my money did that waste?
He said good point.
I ask how much he thinks taxes would go up? He said I guess a couple of hundred a year. I ask how much he thinks school costs.
No idea.
I tell him that A&M has almost 70k students this year and costs around 100k for 4 years. So that’s 70,000 x 100,000 = 7 billion dollars. You just raised taxes 7 billion dollars for one single university to graduate 4 classes. That’s ignoring our taxes that already go to public education.
I say "now my numbers are off, and that’s not at all accurate, but do you understand why it’s not really a good way of doing this moving forward?"
He says, you make good points, but wouldn’t it just be easier if it were free for everybody?
Bernie Sanders makes the same arguments of my 15 YO nephew. He at least concedes and admits when there are other valid points being made.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:50 pm to IAmReality
I hear it was so bad that they gave poor ol' Bernie an extra bowl of food before he was put back into his cage last night.
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:50 pm to IAmReality
Of course Bernie got crushed. He’s a charlatan for a movement based on terrible policies, with plenty of empirical evidence to support their terribleness.
But this is like the 3rd time I recall a Ed Rogers OP-ED in the WaPo with a title that states something along the line of "even WaPo is saying such and such."
He writes interesting and informative OP-EDs, but I wish people would stop misrepresenting OP-EDs as something they're not, usually a generalization of the views and news of an entire organization.
But this is like the 3rd time I recall a Ed Rogers OP-ED in the WaPo with a title that states something along the line of "even WaPo is saying such and such."
He writes interesting and informative OP-EDs, but I wish people would stop misrepresenting OP-EDs as something they're not, usually a generalization of the views and news of an entire organization.
This post was edited on 10/19/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 10/19/17 at 1:50 pm to IAmReality
From what I read of debate, it sounds like it.
But this claim:
is nonsense. The author:
But this claim:
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Even WaPo agrees he was demolished
is nonsense. The author:
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Ed Rogers is a contributor to the PostPartisan blog, a political consultant and a veteran of the Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush White Houses and several national campaigns. He is the chairman of the lobbying and communications firm BGR Group, which he founded with former Mississippi governor Haley Barbour in 1991.
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