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Hot Take: There is no 2nd Amendment
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:46 pm
I see a lot of “the 2nd Amendment ensures the 1st amendment” or “_____ happened in Country X because they have no 2nd Amendment.”
Well lets see here….
The 2nd Amendment doesnt say “you get to have guns”. It says that the government literally SHALL NOT INFRINGE your right to own guns.
Do we have gun laws? Yeah? Then we dont have a 2A. The 2A is meant to do one thing; unilaterally restrict the government from infringing on any gun ownership. Is it doing that? No, its not. There for it, in effect and practice, doesnt exist.
If you have any gun rights currently, its not because of the 2A. It’s because the government has not currently removed those particular rights. Which they’ve proven they can do with no regard for the 2A.
I say this because all of us continuing to pretend we have a 2A (or a 1A or any other amendments or rights) is exactly what the government wants to do. Why give you a right when they can just say you have a right while denying you that right.
We dont have a 2nd Amendment.
Well lets see here….
The 2nd Amendment doesnt say “you get to have guns”. It says that the government literally SHALL NOT INFRINGE your right to own guns.
Do we have gun laws? Yeah? Then we dont have a 2A. The 2A is meant to do one thing; unilaterally restrict the government from infringing on any gun ownership. Is it doing that? No, its not. There for it, in effect and practice, doesnt exist.
If you have any gun rights currently, its not because of the 2A. It’s because the government has not currently removed those particular rights. Which they’ve proven they can do with no regard for the 2A.
I say this because all of us continuing to pretend we have a 2A (or a 1A or any other amendments or rights) is exactly what the government wants to do. Why give you a right when they can just say you have a right while denying you that right.
We dont have a 2nd Amendment.
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:48 pm to Hester Carries
You are correct. A poll tax is more constitutional than the current gun ownership hurdles.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:51 pm to Hester Carries
He's right. Have any of the gun laws that have been put into place over the last however many years been challenged to the Supreme Court? They should be because they are all unconstitutional.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 1:54 pm to wareaglepete
quote:
been challenged to the Supreme Court? They should be because they are all unconstitutional.
Yes
I forget case, let me think....
Oh yeah- heller
This post was edited on 5/31/22 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:08 pm to ksayetiger
quote:let's not forget though that the heller case only agreed to handgun ownership in the home. they refused to acknowledge the right to bear the gun. Also if not for Scalia, the right to ownership would have been lost. justice Kennedy was going to vote against ownership but Scalia bargained with him.
Yes
I forget case, let me think....
Oh yeah- heller
The OP is correct for sure and many have said the same. All gun laws limiting arms of any kind are unconstitutional.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:08 pm to ksayetiger
I just don't get how there can be gun laws. Brady Bill and all that.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:33 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
Do we have gun laws? Yeah? Then we dont have a 2A.
I have posted this about three times over the last few days.
We can’t have nukes, bazookas, tanks, etc. Therefore the second amendment is being abridged at will.
This post was edited on 5/31/22 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:36 pm to Hester Carries
Prior to COVID, I would have said that the 2A is the one issue that would motivate people enough to take back our government.
Now, I bet 80% of even this board will dutifully comply with any and all directives from DC regarding their guns.
Now, I bet 80% of even this board will dutifully comply with any and all directives from DC regarding their guns.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:41 pm to Penrod
quote:
We can’t have nukes, bazookas, tanks, etc. T
All which are infringements
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:45 pm to Hester Carries
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and point out the the full amendment reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Many people would argue that the 2nd Amendment requires that regulations be placed on gun ownership. You argue that any regulation is an infringement. So does the 2nd amendment contradict itself? I don't know. I say leave well enough alone. Opiates kill way more kids than guns ever will.
Many people would argue that the 2nd Amendment requires that regulations be placed on gun ownership. You argue that any regulation is an infringement. So does the 2nd amendment contradict itself? I don't know. I say leave well enough alone. Opiates kill way more kids than guns ever will.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:45 pm to Hester Carries
The Justice systems are corrupt.
The education systems are corrupt.
The election systems are corrupt.
The intelligence agencies are corrupt.
Law enforcement agencies are corrupt.
Basically, we are on our own.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:46 pm to Penrod
There is also something about a well-regulated militia in the second amendment. But just try to establish one and see what the ATF will do to you.
I keep thinking that the right to keep our guns means nothing without the right to gather together as a civilian militia without being shut down by our government.
I keep thinking that the right to keep our guns means nothing without the right to gather together as a civilian militia without being shut down by our government.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:47 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
Do we have gun laws? Yeah? Then we dont have a 2A.
The constitution is just a piece of paper at this point.
At least in regards to the amendments they don't like for whatever situation.
Congress has made a ton of laws limiting "free speech."
"Hate" speech?
Can't meet in a church during flu season?
we started as a country based on freedom. we have evolved into a country based on slavery with the illusion of freedom.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:47 pm to Penrod
quote:
can’t have nukes, bazookas, tanks, etc.
keep and BEAR
'bear' means man-portable, so tanks, f-15s, and nukes are out.
BUT, stingers, javelins, and those cool new switchblade drones are in.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:48 pm to Hester Carries
quote:
The 2nd Amendment doesnt say “you get to have guns”. It says that the government literally SHALL NOT INFRINGE your right to own guns.
Serious question here:
The federal government decides to issues firearms to any citizen who wants to own a firearm. No other firearms will be allowed.
Any US citizen can apply to receive two of the following guns:
12 ga. shotgun (Rem 870)
30-06 bolt gun (1903 Springfield)
.22 single shot rifle (Win 69a)
6-shot .38 revolver (S&W M10)
My question is, if the government is actually issuing the above arms, could they be accused of infringing on the right to bear arms?
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:51 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
I'm going with the shotgun and the .22
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:52 pm to Penrod
quote:
, bazookas, tanks, etc
Maybe not nukes but there are most definitely privately owned bazookas and tanks. Hell there are close to 750,000 privately owned machine guns yet they don’t commit crimes could it be that ridiculously expensive items are mostly owned by successful responsible individuals?
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:53 pm to TrueTiger
Would you consider the government to be infringing on your right to bear arms?
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:56 pm to Hester Carries
Still don't see what the big deal is. As of this moment, if I have the money, I can go buy whichever weapon I would like to have.
Posted on 5/31/22 at 2:57 pm to Tigerinthewoods
quote:
There is also something about a well-regulated militia in the second amendment. But just try to establish one and see what the ATF will do to you.
I keep thinking that the right to keep our guns means nothing without the right to gather together as a civilian militia without being shut down by our government.
A "well-regulated" militia is subordinate to civil authority. It's not just a bunch of baws drinking beers and shooting guns in the woods.
None of the groups we hear about being called "militias" are actual militias, they're just armed gangs.
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