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HIPPA and 4th amendment - vaccine card

Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:24 am
Posted by LSU6262
Member since Jun 2008
7494 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:24 am
Do these protect you from businesses asking/requiring proof of being vaccinated or does it only protect you from the government?
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
16774 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:26 am to
I would think so, but I’ll add that day cares and schools require immunization records. So there is a precedent.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 7:26 am
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
20300 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:27 am to
I don’t think HIPPA applies if you voluntarily provide your own medical information
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 7:28 am
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42830 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:28 am to
The Fourth Amendment protects from illegal searches by government entities, primarily law enforcement. The only instance in which a private person or entity’s search would be subject to the Fourth Amendment is if they are doing the search on behalf of a government entity at the government entity’s request.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 7:30 am
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:30 am to
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I would think so, but I’ll add that day cares and schools require immunization records. So there is a precedent


Incorrect in the state of Louisiana and Most states in the United States. Please people, stop spreading this falsehood.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:31 am to
*laughs in Democratic Communist Fascism*
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16440 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:33 am to
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if they are doing the search on behalf of a government entity at the government entity’s request.


Which businesses may very well being doing soon when the vaccine is mandated or you’re not allowed to work or travel.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:33 am to
Don't just mindlessly downvote.

Challenge me. Please. Pretty, please.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68421 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:35 am to
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Do these protect you from businesses asking/requiring proof of being vaccinated
No. If you choose not to show the card you are choosing not to do business with them. Your choice.
Posted by Animal
Member since Dec 2017
4222 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:35 am to
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4th amendment


you have surprising faith in the Constitution for these times.
Posted by Rex Feral
Athens
Member since Jan 2014
11434 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:37 am to
HIPPA only deals with what health care providers can disclose. What you disclose is your own choice.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26624 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:37 am to
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you have surprising faith in the Constitution for these times.


The fourth amendment does not prevent your local grocery from requiring a vaccine card.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67497 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:38 am to
quote:

HIPPA

No
quote:

4th amendment

Should but it won't
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:39 am to
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No. If you choose not to show the card you are choosing not to do business with them. Your choice


If they choose terrible business practice and policy they're choosing not to do business with me and millions like me. Their choice.


If Society wants to go down this parallel/dual economy route, they're not going to like the results. Excluding white males age 25-55 is not the demographic you want to cut out of your business model.
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 7:40 am
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42830 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:39 am to
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Which businesses may very well being doing soon when the vaccine is mandated or you’re not allowed to work or travel.


Even then, that might not constitute a search for the purposes of the Fourth Amendment. A search under the Fourth Amendment has to be a search of a place or somewhere that the person has a reasonable expectation of privacy. Not sure how asking for vaccination status proof fits into that standard.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42830 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:41 am to
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Should but it won't

No, it shouldn’t. Do you want private persons or businesses to be subject to all of the requirements of the Constitution? I don’t, because those were intended as protections from government intrusion.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
9042 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:42 am to
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Which businesses may very well being doing soon when the vaccine is mandated or you’re not allowed to work or travel.


bullshite, all you give is your name and some don't even ask for that at the walk up clinics.

How do you collect/mandate info on a million John Smiths?
Posted by gobuxgo5
Member since Nov 2012
10031 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:43 am to
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This post was edited on 10/15/21 at 12:14 pm
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8911 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:43 am to
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No. If you choose not to show the card you are choosing not to do business with them. Your choice


So can I deny someone because they are in a wheelchair? ADA says otherwise, shouldn't be any different than someone unvaccinated. If we are going to have these laws (ADA and Civil Rights Act), should be applied equally.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26624 posts
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:44 am to
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If we are going to have these laws (ADA and Civil Rights Act), should be applied equally.


How would you apply laws that specifically deal with a certain portion of the population equally?
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