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Help me understand Trump Investigation

Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:03 am
Posted by DeafVallyBatnR
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:03 am
1. FBI (Comey) said in that Investigation of Trump Campaign. Which means Trump too.

2. Flynn heard on phone with Russian Ambassador. ( I can not find date when this happened)

So question. If investigation was going on since July of 2016 how can Trump be wrong in saying he was tapped? They basically admitted that yesterday.

Also from testimony from Comey yesterday I believe he said that Obama Justice new and He said no DNI but he Lied Clapper new and Brennan (CIA) new. All Obama's men/women. Congress did not know till Feb Of 2017. NYT new WPO new both from leaks. That I believe came from the White House.

Am I missing something.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:06 am to
This has been explained about 5000000 times.

If person A calls person B, and person B is being 'tapped', person A can be heard on the call without actually being 'tapped'.

Also, if person A calls person B, and person A is being 'tapped', and person A is calling person B from person C's house, that does not mean that person C is being 'tapped'.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:09 am
Posted by DeafVallyBatnR
Member since Sep 2004
16832 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:08 am to
Sorry not that easy. Its more than that.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:09 am to
It really is that easy.
Posted by Dwag4life
Member since Mar 2017
92 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:10 am to
Trump specifically accused Obama of wiretapping him, there is no evidence so-far that proves that Obama ordered surveillence of trump.
Posted by Dwag4life
Member since Mar 2017
92 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:11 am to
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Am I missing something.


Spellcheck?
Posted by Mudge87
NOLA
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:12 am to
Investigation of Trump campaign =\= Trump ordered to be surveilled
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:19 am to
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Investigation of Trump campaign =\= Trump ordered to be surveilled


Leaked DNC emails =\= hacked election.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39452 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:20 am to
No it's not. This is how they spied on Netanyahu. Skirting law and potential embarrassment by only eavesdropping on everyone he talks to.

If the Russian ambassador was the subject of that tap, and the transcript was not declassified, then someone committed a felony.

This parsing of words is desperate. Bottom line is we know for a fact that a wire tap was used to listen to Gen Flynn during the transition based at Trump Tower, and that intel was used against the Trump administration. This is certainly only a fraction of what was actually going on. We also know that Trump servers were hacked by the IC as part of an investigation into Russian collusion.

You would have to be the village idiot to assume that his tweet, however you read it, doesnt ring true.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 12:16 pm
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39452 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:23 am to
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Trump specifically accused Obama of wiretapping him, there is no evidence so-far that proves that Obama ordered surveillence of trump.


Semantics again. Presidents never directly order this. Trump would know that because he is president.

Lackeys in the administration are doing this because that's how the boss rolls. He has a long history of it. Then again, maybe it was those pesky rogue IRS agents in Cincinnati again. Lol
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:26 am to
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Semantics again. Presidents never directly order this. Trump would know that because he is president. Lackeys in the administration are doing this because that's how the boss rolls. He has a long history of it. Then again, maybe it was those pesky rogue IRS agents in Cincinnati again. Lol


Exactly. It's the same tactic used by organized crime. Thats why the actual bosses are so hard to charge. They are protected by layers of disposable minions.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51272 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:31 am to
I think it is the lying that is really keeping this going. Officials saying that they didn't have contact with Russian officials, when news comes out they did in fact did.

It creates a lot of smoke where there may or may not be a fire.

Then this Manafort story.

It just leads to a lot of questions and suspicions.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:32 am
Posted by Dwag4life
Member since Mar 2017
92 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:33 am to
Correction, Trump SHould know this. Does the FBI need presidential approval or knowledge to investigate something? Even as big and potentially explosive as this?
Posted by Dwag4life
Member since Mar 2017
92 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:34 am to
Exactly, why lie? The coverup may turnout to be worse than the crime
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17477 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:39 am to
Hillary lost=\=Must be Russians cause Russians there NO way Russians she should Russians have lost except for Russians.
Posted by Mike Honcho
North Dallas
Member since Oct 2007
2919 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:57 am to
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The coverup may turnout to be worse than the crime


The problem is they aren't trying to cover up anything because there was no crime. Talking to people who are connected to russians is not illegal. All the left has in inference and conjecture. The say they talked to this person so they were obviously committing illegal and probably treasonous acts. They don't mention that Trump and many of his associates are global business men who routinely talk to all manner of foreigners.
Posted by Dwag4life
Member since Mar 2017
92 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:03 pm to
Why do you keep blaming the left when it's the FBI and Congress who are investigating it?
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:11 pm to
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This has been explained about 5000000 times.

If person A calls person B, and person B is being 'tapped', person A can be heard on the call without actually being 'tapped'.

Also, if person A calls person B, and person A is being 'tapped', and person A is calling person B from person C's house, that does not mean that person C is being 'tapped'.



You are, of course, wrong.

Let's use an example.

Let's say Bob is talking to Carl from Steve's house. Now , for the purpose of this conversation that the FBI has a warrant for Steve's phones.

Now, Bob IS being wiretapped when he talks to Steve. It doesn't matter which end of the line he's on. That' s just the way it works.

That's why in the case of a FISA warrant, any Americans scooped up during a wiretap are supposed to be shielded. If it wasn't a wiretap, there would be no reason to shield them.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39452 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:13 pm to
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Does the FBI need presidential approval or knowledge to investigate something? Even as big and


No, they dont. Comey talked about this. They can investigate the potus because no one is above the law.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:14 pm to
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No, they dont. Comey talked about this. They can investigate the potus because no one is above the law.


Of course they can, but you can bet your arse that Obama was well aware of this investigation while he was POTUS. You don't run an operation that sensitive without Presidential approval.
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