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Help me understand Trump Investigation
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:03 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:03 am
1. FBI (Comey) said in that Investigation of Trump Campaign. Which means Trump too.
2. Flynn heard on phone with Russian Ambassador. ( I can not find date when this happened)
So question. If investigation was going on since July of 2016 how can Trump be wrong in saying he was tapped? They basically admitted that yesterday.
Also from testimony from Comey yesterday I believe he said that Obama Justice new and He said no DNI but he Lied Clapper new and Brennan (CIA) new. All Obama's men/women. Congress did not know till Feb Of 2017. NYT new WPO new both from leaks. That I believe came from the White House.
Am I missing something.
2. Flynn heard on phone with Russian Ambassador. ( I can not find date when this happened)
So question. If investigation was going on since July of 2016 how can Trump be wrong in saying he was tapped? They basically admitted that yesterday.
Also from testimony from Comey yesterday I believe he said that Obama Justice new and He said no DNI but he Lied Clapper new and Brennan (CIA) new. All Obama's men/women. Congress did not know till Feb Of 2017. NYT new WPO new both from leaks. That I believe came from the White House.
Am I missing something.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:06 am to DeafVallyBatnR
This has been explained about 5000000 times.
If person A calls person B, and person B is being 'tapped', person A can be heard on the call without actually being 'tapped'.
Also, if person A calls person B, and person A is being 'tapped', and person A is calling person B from person C's house, that does not mean that person C is being 'tapped'.
If person A calls person B, and person B is being 'tapped', person A can be heard on the call without actually being 'tapped'.
Also, if person A calls person B, and person A is being 'tapped', and person A is calling person B from person C's house, that does not mean that person C is being 'tapped'.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:09 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:08 am to TN Bhoy
Sorry not that easy. Its more than that.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:09 am to DeafVallyBatnR
It really is that easy.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:10 am to DeafVallyBatnR
Trump specifically accused Obama of wiretapping him, there is no evidence so-far that proves that Obama ordered surveillence of trump.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:11 am to DeafVallyBatnR
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Am I missing something.
Spellcheck?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:12 am to DeafVallyBatnR
Investigation of Trump campaign =\= Trump ordered to be surveilled
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:19 am to Mudge87
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Investigation of Trump campaign =\= Trump ordered to be surveilled
Leaked DNC emails =\= hacked election.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:20 am to TN Bhoy
No it's not. This is how they spied on Netanyahu. Skirting law and potential embarrassment by only eavesdropping on everyone he talks to.
If the Russian ambassador was the subject of that tap, and the transcript was not declassified, then someone committed a felony.
This parsing of words is desperate. Bottom line is we know for a fact that a wire tap was used to listen to Gen Flynn during the transition based at Trump Tower, and that intel was used against the Trump administration. This is certainly only a fraction of what was actually going on. We also know that Trump servers were hacked by the IC as part of an investigation into Russian collusion.
You would have to be the village idiot to assume that his tweet, however you read it, doesnt ring true.
If the Russian ambassador was the subject of that tap, and the transcript was not declassified, then someone committed a felony.
This parsing of words is desperate. Bottom line is we know for a fact that a wire tap was used to listen to Gen Flynn during the transition based at Trump Tower, and that intel was used against the Trump administration. This is certainly only a fraction of what was actually going on. We also know that Trump servers were hacked by the IC as part of an investigation into Russian collusion.
You would have to be the village idiot to assume that his tweet, however you read it, doesnt ring true.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:23 am to Dwag4life
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Trump specifically accused Obama of wiretapping him, there is no evidence so-far that proves that Obama ordered surveillence of trump.
Semantics again. Presidents never directly order this. Trump would know that because he is president.
Lackeys in the administration are doing this because that's how the boss rolls. He has a long history of it. Then again, maybe it was those pesky rogue IRS agents in Cincinnati again. Lol
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:26 am to Vacherie Saint
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Semantics again. Presidents never directly order this. Trump would know that because he is president. Lackeys in the administration are doing this because that's how the boss rolls. He has a long history of it. Then again, maybe it was those pesky rogue IRS agents in Cincinnati again. Lol
Exactly. It's the same tactic used by organized crime. Thats why the actual bosses are so hard to charge. They are protected by layers of disposable minions.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:31 am to DeafVallyBatnR
I think it is the lying that is really keeping this going. Officials saying that they didn't have contact with Russian officials, when news comes out they did in fact did.
It creates a lot of smoke where there may or may not be a fire.
Then this Manafort story.
It just leads to a lot of questions and suspicions.
It creates a lot of smoke where there may or may not be a fire.
Then this Manafort story.
It just leads to a lot of questions and suspicions.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:32 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:33 am to Vacherie Saint
Correction, Trump SHould know this. Does the FBI need presidential approval or knowledge to investigate something? Even as big and potentially explosive as this?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:34 am to GetCocky11
Exactly, why lie? The coverup may turnout to be worse than the crime
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:39 am to Mudge87
Hillary lost=\=Must be Russians cause Russians there NO way Russians she should Russians have lost except for Russians.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:57 am to Dwag4life
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The coverup may turnout to be worse than the crime
The problem is they aren't trying to cover up anything because there was no crime. Talking to people who are connected to russians is not illegal. All the left has in inference and conjecture. The say they talked to this person so they were obviously committing illegal and probably treasonous acts. They don't mention that Trump and many of his associates are global business men who routinely talk to all manner of foreigners.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:03 pm to Mike Honcho
Why do you keep blaming the left when it's the FBI and Congress who are investigating it?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:11 pm to TN Bhoy
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This has been explained about 5000000 times.
If person A calls person B, and person B is being 'tapped', person A can be heard on the call without actually being 'tapped'.
Also, if person A calls person B, and person A is being 'tapped', and person A is calling person B from person C's house, that does not mean that person C is being 'tapped'.
You are, of course, wrong.
Let's use an example.
Let's say Bob is talking to Carl from Steve's house. Now , for the purpose of this conversation that the FBI has a warrant for Steve's phones.
Now, Bob IS being wiretapped when he talks to Steve. It doesn't matter which end of the line he's on. That' s just the way it works.
That's why in the case of a FISA warrant, any Americans scooped up during a wiretap are supposed to be shielded. If it wasn't a wiretap, there would be no reason to shield them.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:13 pm to Dwag4life
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Does the FBI need presidential approval or knowledge to investigate something? Even as big and
No, they dont. Comey talked about this. They can investigate the potus because no one is above the law.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:14 pm to Vacherie Saint
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No, they dont. Comey talked about this. They can investigate the potus because no one is above the law.
Of course they can, but you can bet your arse that Obama was well aware of this investigation while he was POTUS. You don't run an operation that sensitive without Presidential approval.
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