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H1N1 vs. Coronavirus - Why are they not comparable?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:08 am
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:08 am
H1N1 (Source CDC)
Worldwide: 700 million to 1.4 billion infected, 171,000-575,000 deaths
US: 60.8 million cases, 12,469 deaths
Coronavirus (reported)
Worldwide: 490,144 infected, 22,154 deaths
US: 68,211 infected, 1,027 deaths
We won't know the full comparison until months after CV outbreak is over, but why is this ignored or shut down when someone compares the 2? Right now, yes, CV has a higher mortality rate, but as testing continues, and more cases are confirmed, the mortality rate will drop. Not to mention the untold amount of cases that are not reported or people who are asymptomatic.
I would just like a straight answer as to why the fear mongering is so high with CV, as opposed to H1N1. NOTHING SHUT DOWN DURING H1N1. Nothing shut down during Zika. Nothing shuts down for West Nile. Nothing shut down for Ebola. Nothing shut down for MERS/SARS. Why is the complete economic shutdown of our country warranted now, and not in the past?
ETA: Edited, i was pulling from national numbers so here are both.
Worldwide: 700 million to 1.4 billion infected, 171,000-575,000 deaths
US: 60.8 million cases, 12,469 deaths
Coronavirus (reported)
Worldwide: 490,144 infected, 22,154 deaths
US: 68,211 infected, 1,027 deaths
We won't know the full comparison until months after CV outbreak is over, but why is this ignored or shut down when someone compares the 2? Right now, yes, CV has a higher mortality rate, but as testing continues, and more cases are confirmed, the mortality rate will drop. Not to mention the untold amount of cases that are not reported or people who are asymptomatic.
I would just like a straight answer as to why the fear mongering is so high with CV, as opposed to H1N1. NOTHING SHUT DOWN DURING H1N1. Nothing shut down during Zika. Nothing shuts down for West Nile. Nothing shut down for Ebola. Nothing shut down for MERS/SARS. Why is the complete economic shutdown of our country warranted now, and not in the past?
ETA: Edited, i was pulling from national numbers so here are both.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 8:31 am
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Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:09 am to BugAC
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Why are they not comparable?
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We won't know the full comparison until months after CV outbreak is over
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:10 am to BugAC
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H1N1 - 60.5 million infected, 250,000 deaths
Because you have the death number off by over a factor of 20?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:11 am to Yak
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Yak
H1N1 epidemic lasted from January 2009 to August 2010. Are we to shutdown our economy for 20 months? Or maybe, could we be dramatically overreacting for a virus that isnt as deadly as the media wants it to be?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:13 am to BugAC
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While a monovalent (H1N1)pdm09 vaccine was produced, it was not available in large quantities until late November—after the peak of illness during the second wave had come and gone in the United States. From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.
Get it together Tyrone
LINK
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:13 am to Powerman
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Because you have the death number off by over a factor of 20?
What are the correct numbers?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:13 am to BugAC
This shite is so fukin dumb! I’m so over this shite! The amount of attention being given is like a form of virtue signaling or some stupid hashtag movement! Let’s get on with our lives for frick sake while we still can!
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:14 am to BugAC
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What are the correct numbers?
12,000 deaths in U.S.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:14 am to BugAC
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Coronavirus (reported) - 68,211 infected, 1,027 deaths
If you are talking worldwide numbers here you are waaaaay off. Hundreds are dying each day in some areas.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:14 am to BugAC
quote:If you really want to compare the 2, then extrapolate what the coronavirus deaths would be if it reached H1N1 infected levels.
H1N1 epidemic lasted from January 2009 to August 2010. Are we to shutdown our economy for 20 months? Or maybe, could we be dramatically overreacting for a virus that isnt as deadly as the media wants it to be?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:14 am to Powerman
LINK
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Beginning in 2009, the virus swept the globe, and the WHO counted 18,500 swine flu deaths that had been confirmed by laboratory tests. But according to new estimates from researchers at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the virus probably killed between 105,700 and 400,000 people around the world in its first year alone, and an additional 46,000 to 179,000 people likely died of cardiovascular complications from the virus.
That's a pretty wide gap in death rates, but it's not unusual. The numbers of flu deaths confirmed by lab tests usually understate how many people actually died from the virus, simply because most doctors around the world don't have the time or the resources to test their patients for the virus and report cases to health authorities.
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Though the virus was deadly, the swine flu pandemic is still considered to have been a fairly mild one. The CDC calculates that up to 575,000 people may have died from H1N1 in 2009.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 8:16 am
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:14 am to BugAC
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H1N1 - 60.5 million infected, 250,000 deaths
There were 18k deaths confirmed by WHO. Already 20k from covid-19. So there's actual facts you can look at instead of making up your own.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 8:16 am
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:16 am to BugAC
I suppose we're going to shut down for all new viruses in the future. The seal has been broken and the Kennedy Center and NPR need their bonus millions every five years.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:17 am to BugAC
So why are you comparing global numbers to U.S. numbers
12,469 was the number of U.S. deaths over a 20 month period. We're not even close to peaking yet and we're already over 1K deaths. And that's WITH the extreme measures we've been taking.
12,469 was the number of U.S. deaths over a 20 month period. We're not even close to peaking yet and we're already over 1K deaths. And that's WITH the extreme measures we've been taking.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:17 am to TBoy
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Hundreds are dying each day in some areas.
We were told millions would be dead by now, with bodies in the street.
I know you are one of the filth that approves of shutting everything down, so you're loving this.
To the OP: your numbers of deaths are off. In the US it was about 12,500, while 20% of the population was sick.
We didn't shut down the economy or nail the POTUS for the failures of the CDC because it was a Democrat. PERIOD.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:17 am to Powerman
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So why are you comparing global numbers to U.S. numbers
Because that fits the narrative.
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:18 am to TH03
It's almost incomprehensible that an adult could be this ignorant
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:18 am to TH03
12k+ in the US and we are at a little over 1,000 with the China virus in the US. China virus may end up with more deaths but did the people who died from H1N1 not matter as much? Did they not deserve the same response?
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:18 am to BugAC
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What are the correct numbers?
12k in the US
Round the world
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CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.
Yeah let's shut the entire world down tho
Posted on 3/26/20 at 8:19 am to Yak
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If you really want to compare the 2, then extrapolate what the coronavirus deaths would be if it reached H1N1 infected levels.
But you can't, because as we are seeing, the # of deaths are not directly correlated to the # of infected, which is why i said we won't know the final numbers until this is all over. Otherwise, if you would try and project based off of the numbers from early March, you'd be way off on the # of deaths. Again, there are the untold # of people who had symptoms but didn't get tested and the asymptomatic.
This post was edited on 3/26/20 at 8:20 am
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