re: Greenland & Antarctic ice loss

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I'll do you one better, I'm saying the next ice age starts on October 2113

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Infinitely more plausible, by any measure, than the Arctic being ice-free by 2012.

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The next glaciation, then. You know what I mean.

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So after the current Ice age, when does the glaciation in the next ice age occur?

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sometime before you understand basic economics

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Are you still going to claim that the tragedy of the commons is a lesson in overt government coercion?

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wiki

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you can edit a wiki. And government coercion is a potential SOLUTION to the tragedy of the commons, not an inherent point therein.

dear god, you literally are a morn.

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dear god, you literally are a morn.

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if you can't understand how solutions are inherent in a problem I can't help you with complex issues, even one as seemingly simple as this. The solution is literally contained in the problem. No one would create a tragedy of the commons example without it pointing to how it must be solved & the difficulties of allowing only the market to try. No one would ever learn the concept without understanding the inherent problem it creates for markets. No one except you, apparently, though to say you learned about it is being kind.

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if you can't understand how solutions are inherent in a problem I can't help you with complex issues

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if thats the case, then ALL possible solutions are inherent.

you really cant figure this out can you...you have your "government master good" ideals, and thats where it ends.

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Are you an anarcho-capitalist? Do you think Milton Friedman or Arthur Laffer or Greg Mankiw have "government master good" ideals? Nod in approval at LewRockwell.com editorials denouncing anyone as a squish who doesn't immediately favor a free market in orphans and nuclear weapons?

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I find it interesting that by reading these men, I must agree with everything they espoused. What an odd position....

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If not, we've already established that you believe in GOVERNMENT COERCION , and now we're just haggling over the details.

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Interesting. I am allowed to either hold one set of beliefs or another, and that must be true across all topics....again, another very very interesting position to hold.

You know, they have a term for this type of logical fallacy. based on our earlier discussion I had expected better of you.

Oh and in case you were wondering, ATL is a racist. I dont like racists.

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The link between CFCs and the ozone layer was known since the 1970s. In fact, the US banned CFCs in consumer products in 1978. Not to piss on the unfalsifiable just-so story, but consumers in the late 1980s had no way to vote with their wallets, because CFCs at that point were mostly being used industrially, far up the supply chain, as refrigerants, solvents, and foaming agents. Would a consumer of cheap electronics in 1988 have any way of knowing whether the PCBs in their clock radio were manufactured using a process with CFCs or not? Were they required to put little stickers on the box? Did they do it anyway? My memories back then are a little hazy, of course, but it's not something I remember seeing outside of aerosol sprays (and propellants were covered under the 1978 ban, so it's not much to brag about).

What did happen in the late 1980s was the Montreal Protocol. Which banned not just sales, but production.

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Well there are 1 major difference between CFC's and CO2 (the human produced) is that there was an alternative to CFC's there is no alterntive to CO2 admisssions. No matter how much liberals (not necessarly you) want it to, "renewables" will never replace coal, electric cars will not replace gas, etc.

Second, the cap and trade is a proven failure, see the slower recovery in europe and australia having to repeal it because it hurts to much. That is the wrong approach.

Imagine if the $500 million lost on Solyndra went toward fixing the new bridge in BR so that cars didn't have to sit in traffic and burn unnecessary gas or we extended the the hybrid tax credit for all hybrids and not just plug in ones. Regular hybrids will break even in 3-5 years of normal driving with the tax credit, without it they won't (unless it is a prius).

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Yes! It's true. Today the sun was in the sky for 12 hours 44 minutes. Tomorrow... It's only going to be in the sky 12 hours and 42 minutes. At this rate it will completely dark in 381 days...

Can't understand why people aren't concerned.

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OMG...have you told Al Gore yet? He might be able to mass produce a video and get rich!