re: Graham working with Dems to stop Trump before he takes office

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You want a kid who was brought here when they were 2 or 3 or 5 years old without even giving their consent and are now 18 or 20 to be deported and sent back to a country they have no memory of?????

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So, an illegal and violent gang member gets citizenship, over those who legally apply...because their parents were criminal in immigrating?

Forget Immigration Reform, AT...UNTIL the Border is secured and REAL limits on Open Border policy are established. The good DACA kids won't be slammed...the bad ones WILL. That works for all.

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...I'm thinking that he is going to maintain Congressional control in '18, but likely expand it

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You may not have looked at the 2018 Senate situation. Dems are defending 25 seats! Expansion is a near certainty, the question is its margin.

Flake getting primaried a la Richard Lugar might cost the GOP a shot at a filibuster-proof majority

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You are simply saying that these were kids and they did not actively break the law because they were below the age of consent when they were brought here. You are making allowances for them to apply, pay fees, and go through a process to live and work in the only country they have ever known.

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That reminds me of my Uncle. He worked his arse off to pay for his family a home, food, helped local people, organized youth baseball in his are. He lost his job to Nafta. Held on as long as he could. The only home his kids new was taken.

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So, you want someone brought here at 2 or 3 years old who is now 20 to be deported back to Honduras? Because of the "rule of law"? And, no allowance can be made for their situation? Because of the "rule of law"?

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Eventually, My Uncle moved to try to find work. The only home my cousins knew... they had to leave.

Why should somebody who came here illegally be more favored than a man who was born here, worked so hard, and lost everything because the Gov signed NAFTA?

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That reminds me of my Uncle. He worked his arse off to pay for his family a home, food, helped local people, organized youth baseball in his are. He lost his job to Nafta. Held on as long as he could. The only home his kids new was taken.

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Did he have to leave the country he grew up in? I've had to move to find work. So have most of the people I know. I wasn't deported to another country I didn't know.

Why are you blaming these kids for what NAFTA did? What role did they play in that?

How am I not surprised? Graham is a literal piece of shite.

What in the hell is so bad about deporting people who don't belong in this country? Why are folks like Graham so hell bent on catering to the illegals?

Screw him and everyone who thinks like him.

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What in the hell is so bad about deporting people who don't belong in this country? Why are folks like Graham so hell bent on catering to the illegals?

Screw him and everyone who thinks like him.

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He isn't catering to illegals. He's trying to protect kids who were brought here as children without their consent. You should read what he is proposing. It isn't what you are railing against. It almost never is.

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This bill has nothing to do with "controlling the border." These people have been here and grew up here.

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have they been here legally?

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He isn't catering to illegals.

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Are they here legally or not? Which is it?

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He's trying to protect kids who were brought here as children without their consent.

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Nobody help my cousins keep their home when my uncle moved them without consent.

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You should read what he is proposing. It isn't what you are railing against. It almost never is.

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I have, and you are not right.

It doesn't matter. If they are not legally in the U. S., then the U. S. has every right to deport all of them. Period.

Now, if you want to make exceptions for young adults, we can talk about that.

So called 'dreamers' should be allowed to stay if they can get sponsorship/guardianship from a LEGAL ADULT CITIZEN. The dreamers who stay, though do not have the right to citizenship. They can remain as legal residents so long as they don't commit a felony. No citizenship, no voting rights.

If you don't want to break up families, then the minor children can go back to the home country with mom and dad. If they were born in the U. S., they can re-enter as citizens at age 18. Mom and dad, on the other hand, may not re-enter until they apply for citizenship and wait their turn.

Oh, and employers who hire illegals need to be slapped with gigantic fines for hiring illegals, and those who do the hiring must be held civilly liable for hiring them. Do this, and we won't have to deport too many. Self-deportations will set an all-time record.

Bottom line: we have immigration laws on the books. We need to enforce them. We have tens of millions of adult citizens out of work. As long as we have the 10-20 million illegals here, those folks have less of a chance of getting a job, since illegals will work for much less.

The U. S. is not a charity. It is a country. This country, like every other country in the world, has every right to secure its borders and enforce immigration laws.