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Government healthcare death panels win. Charlie Gard loses.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:02 pm
Sad...
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Terrible news just broke about the fate of baby Charlie Gard. The attorney for Charlie Gard’s parents has withdrawn a legal bid to have the terminally ill baby undergo medical treatment in the United States.
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:04 pm to GumboPot
I can understand a european government thinking the cost of care outweighs the benefit in regards to Charlie, but if they have the private money to seek care, why the heck is this a legal issue at all?
Why do european healthcare officials get to decide if a private treatment is sought in another nation?
Why do european healthcare officials get to decide if a private treatment is sought in another nation?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why do european healthcare officials get to decide if a private treatment is sought in another nation?
Because they are not free.
That is the same direction we are headed.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:05 pm to GumboPot
And people want that here.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:06 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why do european healthcare officials get to decide if a private treatment is sought in another nation?
I don't get that either
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:07 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Why do european healthcare officials get to decide if a private treatment is sought in another nation?
Subjects do not get to ask why.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:07 pm to GumboPot
Slippery slope of people actually getting to make choices. Can't risk that!!!
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:08 pm to GumboPot
And this is what the fricking Dems want
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:08 pm to GumboPot
People really don't understand how you have to have death panels with single payer systems.
This alone should be enough for anyone with a functioning brain to be against single payer but......
EDIT: Alex Jones has been nailing it lately talking about how single payer forces citizens to be slaves and this is exactly why. He rightly says you can't have government controlled healthcare without being a slave. It is an inherent requirement.
This alone should be enough for anyone with a functioning brain to be against single payer but......
EDIT: Alex Jones has been nailing it lately talking about how single payer forces citizens to be slaves and this is exactly why. He rightly says you can't have government controlled healthcare without being a slave. It is an inherent requirement.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:10 pm to GumboPot
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Because they are not free.
That is the same direction we are headed.
But the sheeple get their info from the MSM, they've been assured that govmnt healthcare is wonderful. None of this would surely happen here !
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:11 pm to GumboPot
It's one thing for an entity to not have the resources to treat but it's another to deny care. Terrible news. Even should treatments fail, at least the information and data can used for future patients.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:11 pm to GumboPot
IIRC, the parents refused to give their baby an MRI for months. An American doctor examined the kid, who cant hear, can't see, and has to be on life support. Bad situation all around but i would've let them go
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For some background on why this development has suddenly happened. Up until recently, the parents have refused any attempts at an MRI scan since March. Last saturday they had an emergency orders meeting to finally do an MRI.
The American doctor now visited the UK and Charlie (at the request of the courts) and, after seeing this MRI as well as the muscle wastage, has told the parents that in his view it's too late to use his treatments (which he only estimated at a 10% chance of being successful even prior to this). This is exactly what Charlie's doctors have been saying for months.
What happens next? Well the parents thanked GOSH and want to set up a charity, however they have also talked as if they want to file a malpractice suit against GOSH, implying that it's the fault of the hospital for not allowing him to be treated sooner
All they've done is managed to drag the name of a world class childrens hospital through the mud and inundate them with death threats. I hope this is the end of it
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:11 pm to notsince98
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EDIT: Alex Jones has been nailing it lately talking about how single payer forces citizens to be slaves and this is exactly why. He rightly says you can't have government controlled healthcare without being a slave. It is an inherent requirement.
that's why we'd have to have a dual system if we ever tried a national public option
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:12 pm to Wtodd
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And this is what the fricking Dems want
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People really don't understand how you have to have death panels with single payer systems. This alone should be enough for anyone with a functioning brain to be against single payer but...... EDIT: Alex Jones has been nailing it lately talking about how single payer forces citizens to be slaves and this is exactly why. He rightly says you can't have government controlled healthcare without being a slave. It is an inherent requirement.
The lifetime medical costs caps in the Republican healthcare plans... how is that not a death panel?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:12 pm to notsince98
I think the thinking is that he could not survive the plane flight. It is also different when parents are making decisions about their kids that may not be medically sound but based on tears.
The treatment he was to get in the USA is not curative.
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The treatment he was to get in the USA is not curative.
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Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:14 pm to notsince98
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He rightly says you can't have government controlled healthcare without being a slave. It is an inherent requirement.
You are not free under single payer.
We are at a cross roads.
Choose to be a subject of the state or choose to be free.
The latter comes with responsibility. The former comes with costs.
Do you want responsibility and freedom or do you want subjugation?
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:14 pm to silverdude
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The lifetime medical costs caps in the Republican healthcare plans... how is that not a death panel?
well the biggest difference is, you know, you can still pay for the treatment
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:15 pm to Eurocat
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I think the thinking is that he could not survive the plane flight.
well i don't think he's going to survive without the plane flight, either
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well the biggest difference is, you know, you can still pay for the treatment
You can't pay for treatment if you can't afford it.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:18 pm to GumboPot
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That is the same direction we are headed.
I was thinking earlier, if this is the BS we end up with, but some fricking exempt politicians child ends up on life support for ten plus years while this kind of shite is the fate for the rest of the country's family's...shite's on.
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