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Government healthcare death panels win. Charlie Gard loses.

Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:02 pm
Sad...



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Terrible news just broke about the fate of baby Charlie Gard. The attorney for Charlie Gard’s parents has withdrawn a legal bid to have the terminally ill baby undergo medical treatment in the United States.


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Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69305 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:04 pm to
I can understand a european government thinking the cost of care outweighs the benefit in regards to Charlie, but if they have the private money to seek care, why the heck is this a legal issue at all?

Why do european healthcare officials get to decide if a private treatment is sought in another nation?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:05 pm to
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Why do european healthcare officials get to decide if a private treatment is sought in another nation?




Because they are not free.

That is the same direction we are headed.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:05 pm to
And people want that here.

Posted by DuncanIdaho
Ouray, CO
Member since Feb 2013
14970 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

Why do european healthcare officials get to decide if a private treatment is sought in another nation?

I don't get that either
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:07 pm to
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Why do european healthcare officials get to decide if a private treatment is sought in another nation?


Subjects do not get to ask why.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101444 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:07 pm to
Slippery slope of people actually getting to make choices. Can't risk that!!!
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67488 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:08 pm to
And this is what the fricking Dems want
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
18005 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:08 pm to
People really don't understand how you have to have death panels with single payer systems.

This alone should be enough for anyone with a functioning brain to be against single payer but......

EDIT: Alex Jones has been nailing it lately talking about how single payer forces citizens to be slaves and this is exactly why. He rightly says you can't have government controlled healthcare without being a slave. It is an inherent requirement.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 1:10 pm
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
17717 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:10 pm to
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Because they are not free.

That is the same direction we are headed.





But the sheeple get their info from the MSM, they've been assured that govmnt healthcare is wonderful. None of this would surely happen here !
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5344 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:11 pm to
It's one thing for an entity to not have the resources to treat but it's another to deny care. Terrible news. Even should treatments fail, at least the information and data can used for future patients.

Posted by silverdude
Member since Mar 2017
216 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:11 pm to
IIRC, the parents refused to give their baby an MRI for months. An American doctor examined the kid, who cant hear, can't see, and has to be on life support. Bad situation all around but i would've let them go

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For some background on why this development has suddenly happened. Up until recently, the parents have refused any attempts at an MRI scan since March. Last saturday they had an emergency orders meeting to finally do an MRI.

The American doctor now visited the UK and Charlie (at the request of the courts) and, after seeing this MRI as well as the muscle wastage, has told the parents that in his view it's too late to use his treatments (which he only estimated at a 10% chance of being successful even prior to this). This is exactly what Charlie's doctors have been saying for months.

What happens next? Well the parents thanked GOSH and want to set up a charity, however they have also talked as if they want to file a malpractice suit against GOSH, implying that it's the fault of the hospital for not allowing him to be treated sooner

All they've done is managed to drag the name of a world class childrens hospital through the mud and inundate them with death threats. I hope this is the end of it


Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422567 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

EDIT: Alex Jones has been nailing it lately talking about how single payer forces citizens to be slaves and this is exactly why. He rightly says you can't have government controlled healthcare without being a slave. It is an inherent requirement.

that's why we'd have to have a dual system if we ever tried a national public option
Posted by silverdude
Member since Mar 2017
216 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:12 pm to
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And this is what the fricking Dems want


quote:

People really don't understand how you have to have death panels with single payer systems. This alone should be enough for anyone with a functioning brain to be against single payer but...... EDIT: Alex Jones has been nailing it lately talking about how single payer forces citizens to be slaves and this is exactly why. He rightly says you can't have government controlled healthcare without being a slave. It is an inherent requirement.



The lifetime medical costs caps in the Republican healthcare plans... how is that not a death panel?
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15047 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:12 pm to
I think the thinking is that he could not survive the plane flight. It is also different when parents are making decisions about their kids that may not be medically sound but based on tears.

The treatment he was to get in the USA is not curative.

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Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118823 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:14 pm to
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He rightly says you can't have government controlled healthcare without being a slave. It is an inherent requirement.


You are not free under single payer.

We are at a cross roads.

Choose to be a subject of the state or choose to be free.

The latter comes with responsibility. The former comes with costs.

Do you want responsibility and freedom or do you want subjugation?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422567 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

The lifetime medical costs caps in the Republican healthcare plans... how is that not a death panel?

well the biggest difference is, you know, you can still pay for the treatment
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422567 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

I think the thinking is that he could not survive the plane flight.

well i don't think he's going to survive without the plane flight, either
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21897 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:18 pm to
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well the biggest difference is, you know, you can still pay for the treatment


You can't pay for treatment if you can't afford it.
Posted by AU_Right
Member since Oct 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 7/24/17 at 1:18 pm to
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That is the same direction we are headed.

I was thinking earlier, if this is the BS we end up with, but some fricking exempt politicians child ends up on life support for ten plus years while this kind of shite is the fate for the rest of the country's family's...shite's on.
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