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re: Got married and paycheck went up about 10% (after Taxes)

Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:52 am to
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:52 am to
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Married people are penalized.


Not always true. Some benefit.


It tends to penalize marriages of high earners who both earn about the same amount, and reward in marriages of lower income where one spouse does little work.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36044 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:56 am to
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I agree that marriage is a great thing to promote. However, why do we have to promote it by rewarding people with money? Are people not going to get married if they do not get the tax benefit? Are people not going to have kids if they don't get the tax benefit?


That's a decision made by the govt. To change it the people need to tell the representatives who may or may not agree and vote to change it.

But the tax code is filled with tax breaks for this group, or that group.

Posted by Crimson Mafia IIIX
Huntsville
Member since Feb 2011
3656 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:04 am to
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Married people pay more. Your will get dinged in April.


This - you will be back after you file your taxes bitching about how single people get more back than married people
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:06 am to
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I agree that marriage is a great thing to promote. However, why do we have to promote it by rewarding people with money? Are people not going to get married if they do not get the tax benefit? Are people not going to have kids if they don't get the tax benefit?
If you look at the individual or individual couple, of course not. No single couple will get married specifically because of this. If you take a step back, and then take another 50 steps back, you'll see that history has shown that our society, as well as virtually every civilized society in human history, has nurtured a social climate that presents marriage as normal and a single life abnormal (with obvious notable exceptions such as unmarried members of the clergy, for example). That marriage is the social norm is, historically, what most has encouraged people to get married for millennia, and one thing that worries me about the future of this country and the futures of most first-world countries is that things like women's rights and sexual freedom appear to have come at the expense of marriage as the social norm. Don't get me wrong--women's rights and sexual freedom are great, but that they came at the expense of marriage as the social norm is the worrisome part. The message sent today by society, the way I hear it, is "You don't need a man. You can be your own person. You don't need to be married to be happy," when I would prefer the message to be something more along the lines of "You don't need a man. You can be your own person. You don't need to be married to be happy...but keep marriage on the table. It's been around for thousands of years for a good reason, so just keep an open mind about it and at least consider settling down at some point in your late 20's."
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48313 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:06 am to
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


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Marriage, as an institution, serves the purpose in bold.




The Preamble has absolutely nothing to do with marriage ... NOTHING. Those words definitely mean something, but its not what you think.


In fact, the Preamble isn't law and the federal constitution didn't have any influence on the state institution of marriage until the 20th Century.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:10 am to
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The Preamble has absolutely nothing to do with marriage ... NOTHING. Those words definitely mean something, but its not what you think.


In fact, the Preamble isn't law and the federal constitution didn't have any influence on the state institution of marriage until the 20th Century.
I was only justifying my view under the general, possibly rhetorical umbrella of the Preamble, which outlines and summarizes the entire purpose of this country's Constitution and, therefore, every law written by an entity that is subject to it. I know that "the Preamble isn't law."
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48313 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:17 am to
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which outlines and summarizes the entire purpose of this country's Constitution and, therefore, every law written by an entity that is subject to it


False.

The Preamble is specifically addressing the problems encountered with the Articles of Confederation. It is not an overarching statement on all of the powers within the Constitution.

"Establish Justice" = Establish a judicial branch to interpret national (federal) laws which was absent under the Articles.

"Provide for the Common Defence" = Create a national military as opposed to the 13 individual militaries present under the Articles.

"Promote the General Welfare" = Establish national taxing systems in order to raise national revenue which was illegal under the Articles AND establish an Executive Branch to enforce nation (federal law) which was absent under the Articles.

"Insure Domestic Tranquility" = Prohibit interstate tariffs and competing currencies which had seriously hampered the national economy under the Articles

All of those phrases are very specific as to rectifying the issues with the Articles. They are not overarching statements on the power of the Constitution.



This post was edited on 2/7/14 at 11:02 am
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
4577 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:45 am to
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The message sent today by society, the way I hear it, is "You don't need a man. You can be your own person. You don't need to be married to be happy," when I would prefer the message to be something more along the lines of "You don't need a man. You can be your own person.


Great example of unicorn-speak.
Posted by son of arlo
State of Innocence
Member since Sep 2013
4577 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:47 am to
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This - you will be back after you file your taxes bitching about how single people get more back than married people


Get back more of what? Their own money?
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20116 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:11 am to
FWIW, witholding rates do not match tax rates in any practical fashion.

Your HR person may have changed you witholding rate without checking with you.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25357 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:33 am to
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The only thing that changed on my paycheck is that I went from Single to Married. I am not sure what else it could be.


You are in a different tax bracket now that you are married and filing jointly. LINK

They probably changed your witholding a bit. Check with HR.

I couldn't change mine until Jan 1 of this year even though I was married last year. I will end up getting almost $6,000 back since we filed jointly. I'd rather not give them a zero interest loan like that.
This post was edited on 2/7/14 at 11:42 am
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 2/7/14 at 11:42 am to
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too many tax laws
simplify it
no taxes
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