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Given Wikileaks Expose' on the CIA's M.O., Let's Discuss Personal Security
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:34 pm
Not interested in having a partisan political discussion here. However we arrived at this point, or who helped to get us here, we are all in the same boat now. Given the level of intrusive overreach into our daily lives, Im hoping that people here with backgrounds in security, technology and government will weigh in & tell us 1) just how comprehensive this spying activity on American citizens is, and 2) even more importantly what steps, if any, we can do to fight back.
I don't really have much of a background in this matter, so I probably won't be weighing in too much. But, here are a couple of basic questions I have:
(1) Lately, it seems like almost every site or app is requesting more & more access to my personal information. Everybody from Yelp to Yahoo to even McDonald's seems to want access to photos, emails and other files. it's gone way past simply asking for my location. I almost always deny these requests. What's up with this?
(2) I think I even heard that "THEY" can spy on us thru a television set that isn't even turned on. What can I do about that? Keep it unplugged while not in use?
I really am hoping that we can keep this discussion professional & non-partisan, because aren't we all in the same boat here? Don't we all need to know how we can fight back against this?
Oh, and one final time; my apologies to Ron Paul. He tried to warn us all, but I for one didn't possess enough information to know he was the 21st century version of Paul Revere.
I don't really have much of a background in this matter, so I probably won't be weighing in too much. But, here are a couple of basic questions I have:
(1) Lately, it seems like almost every site or app is requesting more & more access to my personal information. Everybody from Yelp to Yahoo to even McDonald's seems to want access to photos, emails and other files. it's gone way past simply asking for my location. I almost always deny these requests. What's up with this?
(2) I think I even heard that "THEY" can spy on us thru a television set that isn't even turned on. What can I do about that? Keep it unplugged while not in use?
I really am hoping that we can keep this discussion professional & non-partisan, because aren't we all in the same boat here? Don't we all need to know how we can fight back against this?
Oh, and one final time; my apologies to Ron Paul. He tried to warn us all, but I for one didn't possess enough information to know he was the 21st century version of Paul Revere.
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:46 pm to KCT
If the Wiki info is correct, there isn't much you can do short of stop using technology to mitigate your exposure (and I mean no phones, no atm, and in some cases no vehicle or TV). 0 day exploits are unstoppable until patched, and Wiki said they were hoarding them for nearly every OS.
Even if you stop using technology, you have very little control over your privacy now - since you are tagged by friends on facebook, twitter, etc. It's a sad state of affairs, and while they are likely not monitoring you or I, the mechanism to do so is in place and that should be disconcerting for us all.
Even if you stop using technology, you have very little control over your privacy now - since you are tagged by friends on facebook, twitter, etc. It's a sad state of affairs, and while they are likely not monitoring you or I, the mechanism to do so is in place and that should be disconcerting for us all.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:49 pm to KCT
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:50 pm to philter
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If the Wiki info is correct, there isn't much you can do short of stop using technology to mitigate your exposure (and I mean no phones, no atm, and in some cases no vehicle or TV). 0 day exploits are unstoppable until patched, and Wiki said they were hoarding them for nearly every OS.
Even if you stop using technology, you have very little control over your privacy now - since you are tagged by friends on facebook, twitter, etc. It's a sad state of affairs, and while they are likely not monitoring you or I, the mechanism to do so is in place and that should be disconcerting for us all.
Thanks for the response, even though it's discouraging.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:51 pm to KCT
The Vault 7 leaks told me nothing I didn't already know. I think Snowden's leaks were more important when it comes to domestic surveillance. Basically Snowden taught us that NSA is collecting and storing ALL communications in America (and most of the world). That includes phone, e-mail, texts, and video. Now, are they actually having humans read them all? Of course not, but those communications are still "there" on the NSA server farms. They cannot legally access them without a FISA warrant, but does anyone really trust that secret process? Who is REALLY performing oversight?
The NSA documents (and now the CIA documents) prove that your computer is not secure. Your phone is not secure. Your TV is not secure. Even your microwave is not secure. Your smart car can be used to assassinate you.
How do you defend yourself? You can't. It's impossible. Encryption can help you thwart the dragnet surveillance, but if they target you, they can bypass it (as the CIA documents show). In other words, you're fukt if they really want in.
You cannot fight a foe that owns your smartphone from the factory. They have secret deals with the manufacturers to plant "bugs" in the electronics (more like software exploits). The NSA documents hinted at this, but it is so classified that they didn't give specifics in the documents themselves. One guy in the documents said "Do not even ask about our sources and methods." In other words, even guys within NSA weren't allowed to know how they were monitoring certain communications.
The only way to be secure is to rid yourself of everything electronic in your life and then build a Faraday cage in your house. Indeed NSA and CIA headquarters have Faraday cages built in (they are called SCIFs). The NSA building itself is lined with copper to shield EM radiation.
TL;DR - You have no security. If you don't want something associated with your name, do not send it electronically. Anything you say on the Internet or in texts or phone calls, pretend you are putting it on a billboard.
The NSA documents (and now the CIA documents) prove that your computer is not secure. Your phone is not secure. Your TV is not secure. Even your microwave is not secure. Your smart car can be used to assassinate you.
How do you defend yourself? You can't. It's impossible. Encryption can help you thwart the dragnet surveillance, but if they target you, they can bypass it (as the CIA documents show). In other words, you're fukt if they really want in.
You cannot fight a foe that owns your smartphone from the factory. They have secret deals with the manufacturers to plant "bugs" in the electronics (more like software exploits). The NSA documents hinted at this, but it is so classified that they didn't give specifics in the documents themselves. One guy in the documents said "Do not even ask about our sources and methods." In other words, even guys within NSA weren't allowed to know how they were monitoring certain communications.
The only way to be secure is to rid yourself of everything electronic in your life and then build a Faraday cage in your house. Indeed NSA and CIA headquarters have Faraday cages built in (they are called SCIFs). The NSA building itself is lined with copper to shield EM radiation.
TL;DR - You have no security. If you don't want something associated with your name, do not send it electronically. Anything you say on the Internet or in texts or phone calls, pretend you are putting it on a billboard.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:51 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:55 pm to AUstar
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The Vault 7 leaks told me nothing I didn't already know.
Did you know they were hacking cars to kill people?
Ingsof...
Our nutcase Alex Jones has been saying this over 15 years or so...so it isn't really a surprise...
Supposedly their dump on the space program is going to crack up our known reality
Posted on 3/10/17 at 1:59 pm to IceTiger
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Did you know they were hacking cars to kill people?
Yes, I knew the tech was out there. There have been research projects on this in the private infosec community. There were talks at hacker conferences like DEFCON about it.
Same thing with pacemaker hacking -- that's been out there for a couple years now.
So if it's out there in the private sector, you can bet the TLA's are a couple years ahead. Remember, these TLA's have almost unlimited budgets -- something the poor guys using university or research grants don't have.
Posted on 3/10/17 at 2:53 pm to AUstar
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TL;DR - You have no security. If you don't want something associated with your name, do not send it electronically. Anything you say on the Internet or in texts or phone calls, pretend you are putting it on a billboard.
Wonderful
Posted on 3/10/17 at 2:54 pm to IceTiger
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Supposedly their dump on the space program is going to crack up our known reality
Have they said when that's coming out?
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