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re: General Al-Sisi Wins Egyptian Presidential Election With 97% Of Vote
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:25 pm to idlewatcher
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:25 pm to idlewatcher
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While I agree it will be a military dictatorship, why do you think it will be worse than HB's rule?
Al-Sisi has already shown that he's willing to be much more heavy-handed than Mubarak ever was, because he fears that if he isn't, he will meet the same fate as Mubarak. Look at his cryptic comments that I referred to in the OP. He absolutely doesn't believe in free speech of any sort, and has thrown dozens of journalists in prison, including many international journalists. At least Mubarak had an accomadation with the Brotherhood, which seems inevitable since they represent about 30% of the country, but Al-Sisi's solution is to imprison and execute the Brotherhood by the thousands until they disappear. Al-Sisi seems to be cut more from the Saddam Hussein cloth, and not surprisingly, there are reports that he's making plans to sieze oil fields from Egypt's nextdoor neighbor Libya, which would be no match for the Egyptian military. Does that sound familiar?
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Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:31 pm to idlewatcher
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While I agree it will be a military dictatorship, why do you think it will be worse than HB's rule?
Do you think he'll be less corrupt? Of course not, therefore, he will look to the past as a lesson - press the boot down harder.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:36 pm to cwill
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Do you think he'll be less corrupt? Of course not, therefore, he will look to the past as a lesson - press the boot down harder.
Exactly!
This post was edited on 6/3/14 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:48 pm to trackfan
What do you expect them to do, TF? They got Islamists who'll blow themselves up in the public square if they don't get their Caliphate, and spoil it for everybody. Their Book encourages them to lie, murder, rape, or do anything for their 'social justice' cause. You really think you can let people like that run free in a community?
They are heathen. Following a heathen *leader*/idea. Let em' go. They earned it. Nobody can put up with that crap.
They are heathen. Following a heathen *leader*/idea. Let em' go. They earned it. Nobody can put up with that crap.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 3:51 pm to trackfan
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because he fears that if he isn't, he will meet the same fate as Mubarak
Mubarak was in cruise control and had been for a decade. His son (Gamal I believe his name is) was the heir apparent. The country was imploding before their very eyes so any dissent from the MB or any attempt to sabotage the election wouldn't be tolerated; nor should it be in any free society. "Free and fair elections" should in fact be free and fair. I do agree he is and will be a heavy handed ruler - whether or not that is a good/bad thing remains to be proven. Plus, Egypt has been under military rule for 50-60 years.
Personally, I don't think he gives two shits what the US thinks about his actions, however, I figured he'd at least release the journalists by now instead of keeping with the execution sentence. That will not win over his neighbors.
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there are reports that he's making plans to sieze oil fields from Egypt's nextdoor neighbor Libya
Not surprising although I hadn't heard that. It's business as usual back in Egypt though and I mean that literally
Most of the oil companies have returned, EGPC (Egyptian General Petroleum Corporation) is back in full swing cutting contracts, etc etc. Our company fled Cairo just prior to the Arab Spring/Uprising and have no immediate plans to return until it's truly safe to operate. quote:
which would be no match for the Egyptian military.
Meaning Egyptian military vs AQ in Libya?
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:02 pm to RCDfan1950
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What do you expect them to do, TF? They got Islamists who'll blow themselves up in the public square if they don't get their Caliphate, and spoil it for everybody. Their Book encourages them to lie, murder, rape, or do anything for their 'social justice' cause. You really think you can let people like that run free in a community?
They are heathen. Following a heathen *leader*/idea. Let em' go. They earned it. Nobody can put up with that crap.
This is total bullshite. As I mentioned earlier, the Egyptian Brotherhood had adhered to a policy of nonviolence for decades as part of its accommodation with Mubarak, and there's simply no moral argument to be made for ordering wholesale executions of a group of people simply because of their political affiliation. If there are criminals, punish them for their actions individually, but I'm certain you would never condone Obama ordering wholesale execution of his political rivals simply because of what they believed in.
I'm always amazed how folks like you, who abhor collective judgement and punishment at home, love it abroad, and at the same brag about America being a "shining city of a hill" spreading freedom and democracy all over the world.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:10 pm to trackfan
Field Marshall al-Sisi is incredibly popular among almost all non-Islamist Egyptians. He's also the most credible head of state.
Not an ideal situation, but the best we can hope for. The EMB is simply not suited to lead a democracy. It remains to be seen whether or not this particular formal general is.
Not an ideal situation, but the best we can hope for. The EMB is simply not suited to lead a democracy. It remains to be seen whether or not this particular formal general is.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:13 pm to GumboPot
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97%
You gotta love democracy.
Debbie Wasserman Schuyltz is scooting over there right now to learn about their 'get out the vote' techniques.
Stand by for 2016
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:18 pm to Navytiger74
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Not an ideal situation, but the best we can hope for. The EMB is simply not suited to lead a democracy. It remains to be seen whether or not this particular formal general is.
Considering the fact that he has already demonstrated that he doesn't believe in free speech, due process or free and fair elections, I think the verdict is already in on this question.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:22 pm to trackfan
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Yeah right. Better examples would be the Republicans in Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 4:26 pm to trackfan
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Considering the fact that he has already demonstrated that he doesn't believe in free speech, due process or free and fair elections, I think the verdict is already in on this question.
He wasn't pretending to govern as an elected leader. Egypt has been in a de facto state of martial law since shithead was toppled last July.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 5:05 pm to trackfan
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This is total bullshite. As I mentioned earlier, the Egyptian Brotherhood had adhered to a policy of nonviolence for decades as part of its accommodation with Mubarak, and there's simply no moral argument to be made for ordering wholesale executions of a group of people simply because of their political affiliation. If there are criminals, punish them for their actions individually, but I'm certain you would never condone Obama ordering wholesale execution of his political rivals simply because of what they believed in. I'm always amazed how folks like you, who abhor collective judgement and punishment at home, love it abroad, and at the same brag about America being a "shining city of a hill" spreading freedom and democracy all over the world.
Now let's stay real, tf. I know you're invested in anything anti-Israel. Islam comes to mind.
BTW, the *Moderate* wing of Islam as manifest in the Muslim Brotherhood, wasted little time in shedding their 'sheep's clothing'...as soon as they gained power. Christian slaughter, for starters; throw out the Constitution and implement Sharia, next act. And when that bait and switch electoral bs was rejected - damn any majority vote - they went to the violence well that Islamist Theology and their Prophet...employed. The sword.
Sew the wind....what the hell did they expect. Go back to being the 'sheep in wolves clothing' Muslim Brotherhood, all forgotten?
The people over there don't want an Authoritarian government any more than we do. But now, they have...and for the same reason that we may damn well end up having one. Because of the OUTRAGEOUS AND INTOLERABLE Ideology which undermines human/God-given Freedom.
If Obama rallies his dupes over here, it'll end up being the same thing. Like I said, an Allen West type, 'taking 'Merica back'. And God only knows where it goes from there.
One more thing...I don't "love" collective judgment and punishment...I just point out that there are scenarios where it MUST AND WILL happen. Egypt is doing what they have to do to clamp down on suicidal, religious zealots who think dying for their religion is tops. Can't live with them; they have to go. Period.
Evolution is ugly. The *Creature*. "sewn in corruption...".
Your heart's right...but your discernment in this matter...ain't. IMO.
Posted on 6/3/14 at 9:06 pm to RCDfan1950
The irony of your comments is that folks of your ilk (eg. abortion clinic bombers, cross burners, gay bashers, etc.) are the American equivalent intolerant religious fanatics in this country, so by your own reasoning, you deserve whatever Obama sends your way. On second thought, maybe the U.S. could use our own version of Al-Sisi here.
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