- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
French Man Sentenced to Two Years In Prison for Visiting Pro-ISIS Sites
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:21 am
Good or bad?
There's no doubt in my mind that, after seeing the facts listed about him, this guy was well on his way to becoming radicalized and could well have gotten involved in another November 13th (or even just an Ohio State) style attack.
But is such a law too much Big Brother or is it a need for a country like France or Germany that's inundated with thousands upon thousands of refugees from lands where being pro-ISIS (or at least for more pro-ISIS than is the norm in Western cultures) is perceived with some level of acceptability?
quote:
A man in France was sentenced to two years in prison this week for repeatedly visiting pro-ISIS websites, even though there is no indication that he planned to stage a terrorist attack. The 32-year-old, whose name has not been released, was convicted by a court in the department of Ardèche on Tuesday under a new law that has drawn scorn from civil liberties groups.
According to French media, police discovered the man’s browsing history after conducting a raid on his house. During the investigation, they found pro-ISIS images and execution videos on his phone, personal computer, and a USB stick. An ISIS flag was on the wallpaper of his computer desktop, and his computer’s password was “13novembrehaha,” a reference to the night gunmen killed 130 people in attacks across Paris. The man had been regularly consulting jihadist websites for two years, police said.
In court, the man argued that he visited the sites out of curiosity. “I wanted to tell the difference between real Islam and the false Islam, now I understand," he said, according to FranceBleu. But the man reportedly admitted to not reading other news sites or international press, and family members told the court that his behavior had recently changed. He became irritated when discussing religion, they said, and began sporting a long beard with harem pants. A representative from the Ardèche court confirmed to The Verge that there was no indication that the man had any plans to launch an attack. In addition to the two-year prison sentence, he will have to pay a €30,000 fine.
quote:
The man convicted Tuesday was not previously known to security agencies and had committed only petty crimes in the past, according to FranceBleu. Police reportedly came across his name while conducting surveillance on another person in the region, and received authorization from the Ardèche prefecture to raid his home. Security forces are allowed to conduct warrantless raids and surveillance under France’s state of emergency laws, which went into effect after last year’s terrorist attacks and have drawn widespread criticism from human rights groups. The Ardèche prefecture did not respond to a request for comment.
There's no doubt in my mind that, after seeing the facts listed about him, this guy was well on his way to becoming radicalized and could well have gotten involved in another November 13th (or even just an Ohio State) style attack.
quote:
This week’s conviction is the latest handed down under a controversial law that criminalizes the “habitual” consultation of websites that promote terrorism. A man in Marseille was convicted under the law in September, as was a 31-year-old man in August. The law, which went into effect in June, makes exceptions for those who visit the sites “in good faith” — for research, to inform the public, or for judicial purposes — but critics say it goes too far.
But is such a law too much Big Brother or is it a need for a country like France or Germany that's inundated with thousands upon thousands of refugees from lands where being pro-ISIS (or at least for more pro-ISIS than is the norm in Western cultures) is perceived with some level of acceptability?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:26 am to Bard
quote:
But is such a law too much Big Brother
yes.
quote:
is it a need for a country like France or Germany that's inundated with thousands upon thousands of refugees from lands where being pro-ISIS (or at least for more pro-ISIS than is the norm in Western cultures) is perceived with some level of acceptability?
so wait, let me get this straight... these governments imported over a million refugees and the fallout has gotten so bad that now they have to pass a law to punish people wo haven't even committed crimes yet?
sounds like the government of France should be outlawed
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:31 am to MrCarton
quote:
so wait, let me get this straight... these governments imported over a million refugees and the fallout has gotten so bad that now they have to pass a law to punish people wo haven't even committed crimes yet?
sounds like the government of France should be outlawed
Can't disagree with any of that, but how they got to this point is only a tangential argument. They're here so what do they do about it now? How much is too much in their particular scenario?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:33 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
Why is it bad for France to uphold their own laws?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:34 am to Bard
Classic gov't overreach on a problem that they created themselves (destabilizing the ME).
IMO, if some clown wants to go fight for ISIS in Syria or wherever, let em go. You just can't come back if you do.
IMO, if some clown wants to go fight for ISIS in Syria or wherever, let em go. You just can't come back if you do.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:35 am to JuiceTerry
Lofty reference, mates
I was just thinking last night that the "live" gif pics from the newer iPhones look like the visions that Tom Cruise had on files from that movie
I was just thinking last night that the "live" gif pics from the newer iPhones look like the visions that Tom Cruise had on files from that movie
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:36 am to Aubie Spr96
quote:
IMO, if some clown wants to go fight for ISIS in Syria or wherever, let em go.
Was he planning on going to Syria or was he planning on participating in some sort of attack there in France? Remember, his password was "november13hahaha", in reference to the November 2015 coordinated multiple attacks in Paris that left 130 people dead.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:38 am to Bard
quote:
Can't disagree with any of that, but how they got to this point is only a tangential argument
So it's irrelevant that the SAME people who create the problem are trying to create the solution to the problem they created? That's like saying that someone fricked up installing your pool and destroyed your neighborhood as a result and then they want to bid for the contract to fix tye neighborhood.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:40 am to MrCarton
Bad. A real life minority report?
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:44 am to Bard
Havent read the link yet but does it have the law (statute) used as authority? thanks
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:44 am to MrCarton
quote:
the fallout has gotten so bad that now they have to pass a law to punish people wo haven't even committed crimes yet?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he visited sites that were prohibited by law. Should they have been? That's a different question.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:46 am to Bard
France: "We can't violate the rights of Muslims, so we'll violate the rights of everyone instead."
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:54 am to MrCarton
quote:
So it's irrelevant that the SAME people who create the problem are trying to create the solution to the problem they created?
It's not relevant to the subject because it's not an answer to the question at hand.
We know the causes, but while I'm asking about a cure you're still ranting about the cause.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:57 am to Bard
That's no different than the US prosecuting for Conspiracy. If there's an overwhelming amount of evidence to prove intent to commit a heinous crime, then it's warranted.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:58 am to Lakeboy7
quote:
Havent read the link yet but does it have the law (statute) used as authority? thanks
In short, yes.
quote:
This week’s conviction is the latest handed down under a controversial law that criminalizes the “habitual” consultation of websites that promote terrorism. A man in Marseille was convicted under the law in September, as was a 31-year-old man in August. The law, which went into effect in June, makes exceptions for those who visit the sites “in good faith” — for research, to inform the public, or for judicial purposes — but critics say it goes too far.
He became a person of interest for interactions with someone else the authorities were already watching for possible terrorism ties.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 12:36 pm to Bard
Ok read the article.
This is the future. The only way to prevent attacks is to identify the cell or individual before they go operational. Once operational it's almost impossible to stop so you err on the side of caution.
This is the future. The only way to prevent attacks is to identify the cell or individual before they go operational. Once operational it's almost impossible to stop so you err on the side of caution.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 12:37 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:
This is the future.
damn future you scary
Posted on 12/2/16 at 12:53 pm to Bard
quote:
It's not relevant to the subject because it's not an answer to the question at hand.
It is completely relevant and it actually supports my solution to the problem. Which I provided. In my first post.
quote:
Sounds like the French government should be outlawed.
quote:
We know the causes, but while I'm asking about a cure you're still ranting about the cause.
This entire issue is worn the frick out. Your weak attempts to make this seem like anything but a black and white issue of government overreach are absolutely boring. There is virtually no circumstance in which a person is punished for a crime he did not commit, or even had intention to commit, or means to commit, is compatible with American values.
The fact that you are even broaching this subject is a fricking joke. So again, as I stated, and as the founders stated, and the anti federalists stated:
quote:
Sounds like the French government should be outlawed.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 12:56 pm
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News