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FOX News Jennifer Griffin: Flynn apologized to Pence
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:41 pm
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West Wing off'l: Mike Flynn apologized to VP Mike Pence after backtracking on whether sanctions discussed with Russian Ambassador. @foxnews
WH source strongly pushes back on rumor that Flynn will be gone by end of week: "wrong," described it as "gossip" and "palace intrigue,"
She is simply the best in the business. Trust her reporting. I wouldn't plan on Trump giving his enemies Gen Flynn's head. But he made a grave error it appears.
ETA: Pence put the hit out on him for lying to him when he point blank asked him if he did speak to Russians about sanctions. Pence went on Sunday TV and backed Flynn.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 1:43 pm
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Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:43 pm to Rakim
This may get me lambasted, but I don't like Flynn. He seems squirrly. He should know you can't lie to the boss about shite like this.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:46 pm to Pax Regis
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This may get me lambasted, but I don't like Flynn. He seems squirrly. He should know you can't lie to the boss about shite like this.
I think we should have an honest discussion about Flynn's record. I read this has happened twice in his past where he broke protocol by speaking with governments the intel agencies told him not to speak with.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:48 pm to Pax Regis
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This may get me lambasted, but I don't like Flynn. He seems squirrly.
Which is why he's a perfect fit in the Trump administration.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:52 pm to Dignan
Ironically, Flynn was appointed DIA Director by Obama. Squirrelly.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 1:57 pm to Pax Regis
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This may get me lambasted, but I don't like Flynn. He seems squirrly. He should know you can't lie to the boss about shite like this.
People won't believe it because it happened in the Obama administration, but there are a lot of people in the IC who claim Flynn was removed for issues of competence, not for politics. I strongly suspect there are conservatives among them. I know one conservative who claims that to be the case (Schindler), but he doesn't like Trump so Trump supporters won't find him credible.
Flynn has the worst ties to Russia out of the bunch, the worst professional history, and appears to have been involved in perhaps the biggest flub of the administration to date, which damaged the VP's credibility. Hopefully Trump will find a face saving way to give him the boot before long.
I'd really like to know what Mattis truly thinks of Flynn.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 2:54 pm to Pettifogger
Well how good of an NSA director can he really be if he can't hide a conversation that he had with a Russian counterpart before he took office. Master spy my arse.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:13 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Most military folks I know who worked with or for him liked him (I did the few times I met him) but by all indications he was not well regarded by his Senior Executives and civilian staff as Director of DIA. Even prior to that, the going consensus seemed to be that he was a brilliant intelligence officer, but with some serious quirks and questionable history as a manager. There were two investigations that we know of in which he was reportedly mishandling or improperly communicating classified material to parties not authorized to receive it. He was ultimately cleared of both and went on to promote.
People won't believe it because it happened in the Obama administration, but there are a lot of people in the IC who claim Flynn was removed for issues of competence, not for politics.
There's no way to rule out a political element because he did ruffle some feathers in the admin and ODNI (among others), but he didn't do a good job of managing the people who reported to him at DIA. They helped to engineer his downfall and had some help from outside the Agency.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:14 pm to Pax Regis
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He should know you can't lie to the boss about shite like this.
Flynn doesn't work for Pence...the VP is an insurance policy that serves at the pleasure of the POTUS.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:16 pm to Pax Regis
quote:He was never with NSA, and even having knowledge of various technical collections programs doesn't mean you can evade them.
Well how good of an NSA director can he really be if he can't hide a conversation that he had with a Russian counterpart before he took office. Master spy my arse.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:27 pm to Navytiger74
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and even having knowledge of various technical collections programs doesn't mean you can evade them.
If you're the former head of an intelligence agency and you're calling the Russian ambassador, you know that the call is being collected.
He didn't care, probably because that was what he was instructed to do.
It's cute that Trump and Pence are still playing dumb over this.
This post was edited on 2/13/17 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:30 pm to Rakim
It seems pretty obvious that Flynn had been tasked to have this conversation with the Russian Ambassador. Somehow, the details of the conversation were leaked, probably by Obama loyalists to the media. When Pence spoke about it, he assumed that nothing was leaked.
This all goes back to how corrupt intel agencies have become under Obama. These people are comfortable leaking to the media about very sensitive matters. It will take quite a while to tighten these agencies up and get rid of the leakers.
This may have also been a test to see just how bad the leaks really are. If so, that test was successful in identifying leaks. You will know if there are a bunch of lower level firings in the next few days.
This all goes back to how corrupt intel agencies have become under Obama. These people are comfortable leaking to the media about very sensitive matters. It will take quite a while to tighten these agencies up and get rid of the leakers.
This may have also been a test to see just how bad the leaks really are. If so, that test was successful in identifying leaks. You will know if there are a bunch of lower level firings in the next few days.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:32 pm to Rakim
Trump only hires the best person for each and every position.
FAKE news!
FAKE news!
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:35 pm to OchoDedos
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that serves at the pleasure of the POTUS.
Not really. VPOTUS is a Constitutionally elected official in his own right.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:37 pm to Decatur
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If you're the former head of an intelligence agency and you're calling the Russian ambassador, you know that the call is being collected.
He didn't care, probably because that was what he was instructed to do.
It's cute that Trump and Pence are still playing dumb over this.
My feeling is that maybe Trump knew but Pence was left out the loop. But you don't know if Trump did or didn't authorize him to speak with the Russians about sanctions.
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:40 pm to Rakim
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but Pence was left out the loop.
Wouldn't surprise.
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But you don't know if Trump did or didn't authorize him to speak with the Russians about sanctions.
Would Russia have responded the way it did based on Flynn's word alone?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:41 pm to LSUwag
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It seems pretty obvious that Flynn had been tasked to have this conversation with the Russian Ambassador.
Maybe
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Somehow, the details of the conversation were leaked, probably by Obama loyalists to the media. When Pence spoke about it, he assumed that nothing was leaked
Doubt
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This all goes back to how corrupt intel agencies have become under Obama. These people are comfortable leaking to the media about very sensitive matters. It will take quite a while to tighten these agencies up and get rid of the leakers.
Let me say this, the Trump administration needs to stop leaking to the media too. I agree on Intel agencies.
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This may have also been a test to see just how bad the leaks really are. If so, that test was successful in identifying leaks. You will know if there are a bunch of lower level firings in the next few days.
Huh I doubt that's going on but will see
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:43 pm to Decatur
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Would Russia have responded the way it did based on Flynn's word alone?
You are going to have to explain how Russia reacted?
Posted on 2/13/17 at 3:52 pm to Rakim
Russia went from expelling American School staff and warning of further imminent action one night to acting like lol it's nothing the next day (in response to additional sanctions and expulsions).
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