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Forbes - A Century Ago Woodrow Wilson Took America Into WWI
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:10 pm
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Blame Him For Communism, Fascism And Nazism
A century ago Congress declared war on Imperial Germany. It was a bizarre decision: the secure New World voluntarily joined the Old World slaughterhouse, consigning more than 117,000 Americans to death for no intelligible reason.
The chief outcome of the war was to sweep away several reasonably benign if imperfect “ancien regimes” while loosing various totalitarian bacilli. All too naturally, even, seemingly, inevitably, emerged communism, followed by fascism and Nazism. The so-called Great War’s unfinished business was finally settled only in World War II, after consuming as many as 80 million additional lives.
In April 1917 Europe had been at war almost three years. On June 28, 1914 a Serbian terrorist killed Archduke Ferdinand, the heir to the Hapsburg throne of Austro-Hungary. Vienna accused Belgrade of complicity in the crime, which in fact was promoted by Serbian military intelligence. But the Russian Empire came to Serbia’s defense. Imperial Germany sided with its ally, Austro-Hungary. France backed its treaty partner, the Russian Tsar.
Berlin’s troops rolled through Belgium to attack France; Great Britain came in against Germany. Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire joined the latter, known as the Central Powers. Romania and Italy backed the Entente. Rome sold its participation to the highest territorial bidder, winning promises of Austro-Hungarian lands at war’s end. Japan saw an opportunity to grab Germany’s Pacific territories and also joined the conflict.
The resulting horror vindicated America’s decision to remain aloof. The alliance system turned out to be a transmission belt of war. Millions upon millions of people died as a result.
There was little to choose between the two sides. The many failings of the German-led Central Powers were highlighted, and exaggerated, by brilliant British propagandists aided by America’s establishment Eastern press. In fact, however, no one had clean hands.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:21 pm to Wolfhound45
Any original thoughts here?
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:24 pm to Wolfhound45
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Woodrow Wilson
The Worst and most dangerous President we've ever had.
He presided over the creation of the federal reserve and lobbied for and passed the 17th amendment.
Those two things has done biblically catastrophic and maybe even fatal damage to this country.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:24 pm to Wolfhound45
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Blame Him For Communism, Fascism And Nazism
I'm pretty sure he wanted a more lenient peace treaty that didn't terribly punish Germany or assign specific blame for the conflict. And the Bolshevik movement was well underway in Russia by the time the U.S. declared war on Germany. While Wilson got many things wrong, I wouldn't rank the Paris Peace Talks as being one of them. He did everything he could to pursue an amicable peace. The original members of the Entente were just too hellbent on revenge.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:27 pm to Wolfhound45
Great article. Concise enough for readers not well versed in the history and this perspective to not get bogged down in minutiae.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:29 pm to RollTide1987
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I'm pretty sure he wanted a more lenient peace treaty that didn't terribly punish Germany or assign specific blame for the conflict. And the Bolshevik movement was well underway in Russia by the time the U.S. declared war on Germany. While Wilson got many things wrong, I wouldn't rank the Paris Peace Talks as being one of them. He did everything he could to pursue an amicable peace. The original members of the Entente were just too hellbent on revenge.
The article doesn't lay the blame at Wilson for Paris per se, but for his decision to enter America into long standing European feuds that had nothing to do with American interests. For his naivete that the results would be as he envisioned and for deceiving the American public as to the war's necessity and justification.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:32 pm to Sentrius
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The Worst and most dangerous President we've ever had.
Too bad he never fell off of one of those telephone poles he liked to climb and die before he became President.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:32 pm to adavis
quote:A good primer that gives a very balanced view of the stakeholders. Bottom line, an imperial war that we had no stake in.
Any original thoughts here?
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:48 pm to ChewyDante
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The article doesn't lay the blame at Wilson for Paris per se, but for his decision to enter America into long standing European feuds
Six months after winning election on the slogan "He kept us out of war".
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:51 pm to FightinTigersDammit
The error of WWI came at the Paris Peace talks when Wilson's 14 POints were almost completely ignored. Had the multiple treaties that ended WWI been written according to Wilson's ideas, the environment that led to the rise of fascism might have been tempered ot even avoided.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:52 pm to ChewyDante
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The article doesn't lay the blame at Wilson for Paris per se, but for his decision to enter America into long standing European feuds that had nothing to do with American interests.
So we were just supposed to ignore Germany sinking our merchant shipping and encouraging Mexico to invade the southwestern United States?
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:55 pm to RollTide1987
As i understand he did want leniency, but traded it away to the bitter allies for concessions on his darling child, the league of nations.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:58 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Read the article. This is discussed.
So we were just supposed to ignore Germany sinking our merchant shipping and encouraging Mexico to invade the southwestern United States?
Posted on 4/7/17 at 9:59 pm to RollTide1987
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So we were just supposed to ignore Germany sinking our merchant shipping and encouraging Mexico to invade the southwestern United States?
Did you read the article?
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:02 pm to RollTide1987
My memory isn't complete, but i seem to recall the business with Mexico was after germany realized the US was going to get involved regardless. Keep in mind the germans attempted to put adds in newspapers across the US warning citizens not to get on the Lusitania. The germans wanted none of the US, but the writing was on the wall. Wilson ignored the starvation induced by the illegal total blockade by the Brits and acted indignant when germany responded in kind.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:05 pm to DerkaDerka
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My memory isn't complete, but i seem to recall the business with Mexico was after germany realized the US was going to get involved regardless.
The Zimmerman telegram is completely overblown by those clinging to any justification for U.S. entry into a war which clearly had very little rationale for U.S. entry.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:06 pm to ChewyDante
quote:I can't because of ad block.
Did you read the article?
So, would an Atlantic Ocean controlled by Germany have been consequential to the U.S. over one controlled by the British?
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:06 pm to RollTide1987
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So we were just supposed to ignore Germany sinking our merchant shipping and encouraging Mexico to invade the southwestern United States?
Sure. Why not?
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:08 pm to ChewyDante
There was plenty of reason. The British and French owed us a lot of money.
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:08 pm to RollTide1987
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So we were just supposed to ignore Germany sinking our merchant shipping and encouraging Mexico to invade the southwestern United States?
I think the argument is that the US provoked Germany into doing these things by supporting the British. Yes, once Americans started dying and Germany colluded with Mexico and set off a bomb in New York war was inevitable, but maybe things shouldn't have got that far.
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