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For seven years the Republicans have waited to repeal the ACA, there are no excuses
Posted on 7/28/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 7/28/17 at 2:48 pm
Can you imagine being POTUS and for 7 damn years all you've heard from Republicans is "we're going to repeal the ACA when we control the congress and the White House", (paraphrased).
So Trump has the will to make it happen and these swamp dwelling republicucks could not, did not have something ready/drafted in 7 years that they all could agree on.
Let's all recall Nancy Pelosi's infamous words regarding the ACA,"But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it, away from the fog of controversy".
The speaker, Nancy Pelosi, making an idiotic statement like that and the Dims still got that BS passed with 58 Dims and 2 Independents. The current administration can't even get this ACA Obamanation repealed!
I'm with Trump, let the ACA destroy itself. I don't like a lot of McCain's positions but he was right giving this "skinny bill" the thumbs down. What the hell is a "skinny repeal"?
If you can't get a consensus among the Republicucks to straight up repeal this ACA garbage and work out some interim coverage for the folks that need it until effective legislation is drafted to replace it, then Trump needs to say frick health care for now!
You Repubes had 7 damn years to get your shite together for this moment, this opportunity, and you failed your constituents. To borrow Debbie "wash-ur-snatch" Shultz, "there will be consequences", Trump should immediately move on to congressional term limits and lobbying reform and really do something positive for the country.
DRAIN THE MF'ing SWAMP Mr. President, and watch how fast these career politicians crawl away knowing they have no refuge to carry on their corrupt existence, leeching off the American people.
So Trump has the will to make it happen and these swamp dwelling republicucks could not, did not have something ready/drafted in 7 years that they all could agree on.
Let's all recall Nancy Pelosi's infamous words regarding the ACA,"But we have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it, away from the fog of controversy".
The speaker, Nancy Pelosi, making an idiotic statement like that and the Dims still got that BS passed with 58 Dims and 2 Independents. The current administration can't even get this ACA Obamanation repealed!
I'm with Trump, let the ACA destroy itself. I don't like a lot of McCain's positions but he was right giving this "skinny bill" the thumbs down. What the hell is a "skinny repeal"?
If you can't get a consensus among the Republicucks to straight up repeal this ACA garbage and work out some interim coverage for the folks that need it until effective legislation is drafted to replace it, then Trump needs to say frick health care for now!
You Repubes had 7 damn years to get your shite together for this moment, this opportunity, and you failed your constituents. To borrow Debbie "wash-ur-snatch" Shultz, "there will be consequences", Trump should immediately move on to congressional term limits and lobbying reform and really do something positive for the country.
DRAIN THE MF'ing SWAMP Mr. President, and watch how fast these career politicians crawl away knowing they have no refuge to carry on their corrupt existence, leeching off the American people.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 2:50 pm
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 2:50 pm to Bass Tiger
Vote their arse out.
That's our only option.
That's our only option.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 2:51 pm to Bass Tiger
Very much an embarrassment to the Republican Party.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 2:52 pm to tigerjjs
quote:Yep!
Very much an embarrassment to the Republican Party.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 2:55 pm to bamarep
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Vote their arse out.
That's our only option.
We can't depend on voting this trash out, most people don't take enough interest in mid terms and these slimy frickers know it!
If the POTUS is term limited the damn congress should certainly be....., if it happens watch how much of the corruption goes bye, bye!
Posted on 7/28/17 at 2:56 pm to tigerjjs
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Very much an embarrassment to the Republican Party.
Yea this.
I dislike the policies of the democratic party, but I respect the shite out of them because they band together, fall in line and vote with their party. They got the backs of their own. The republicans don't, and that's why people just want to get rid of all of them.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 2:56 pm to Bass Tiger
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there are no excuses
Well, except for the fact that it takes 60 votes to override a filibuster, which the Reps can't get because the Dems refuse to cross the aisle.
Why isn't this taken into consideration?
Reconciliation bills are not good enough. But Reps have no choice.
The in-fighting are over Reconciliation bills, not full new bills.
If a full new bill could pass with just 51 votes none of the last few weeks would have happened and a brand new full repeal and replace bill would be the law of the land.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 3:00 pm to BeefDawg
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Well, except for the fact that it takes 60 votes to override a filibuster, which the Reps can't get because the Dems refuse to cross the aisle.
Why isn't this taken into consideration?
Reconciliation bills are not good enough. But Reps have no choice.
The in-fighting are over Reconciliation bills, not full new bills.
If a full new bill could pass with just 51 votes none of the last few weeks would have happened and a brand new full repeal and replace bill would be the law of the land.
You're missing my main point, 7 years to prepare for this moment and the R's couldn't get their own to agree on what to do!
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:Posted on 7/28/17 at 3:11 pm to Bass Tiger
Trump is the Swamp Thing. The only difference is that he is orange. Usually they are green.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 3:24 pm to Bass Tiger
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You're missing my main point, 7 years to prepare for this moment and the R's couldn't get their own to agree on what to do!
How do/did/could they prepare for half-measured Reconciliation bills?
They can't do a full repeal and replace with Reconciliation.
You're suggesting they should have prepared with an Obamacare Lite plan in the last 7 years.
That's asinine. Obamacare Lite is still doomed to fail. Why would they prepare for a certain failure?
They wanted FULL repeal and replace. They cannot get this though because of Democrats threat to filibuster.
You are the one not thinking this through.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 3:51 pm to BeefDawg
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How do/did/could they prepare for half-measured Reconciliation bills?
They can't do a full repeal and replace with Reconciliation.
You're suggesting they should have prepared with an Obamacare Lite plan in the last 7 years.
That's asinine. Obamacare Lite is still doomed to fail. Why would they prepare for a certain failure?
They wanted FULL repeal and replace. They cannot get this though because of Democrats threat to filibuster.
You are the one not thinking this through.
Yes or no, could the R's, all voting together repeal the ACA, if the answer is yes then they should have had something meaningful to present to the American people as an alternative and then show the American people how this alternative to Obammy Care was going benefit the vast majority of Americans.
They had 7 years to get this info prepared and disseminated out to their constituents at the state level, nyet, nada, zippo, zilch....., epic fricking fail.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:05 pm to Bass Tiger
Here's two doctors that are doing something along the lines that I've been screaming about for years, direct patient to doctor, no MF'ing insurance taking a cut. Couple this approach with possibly some type of catastrophic coverage for cancer, transplants, severe trauma, etc. and health care becomes much more affordable. I'm sure the insurance lobby will help push this idea forward. SARCASM [off]
Kansas's doctors solution to health care
South Carolina doctor's approach to health care
Kansas's doctors solution to health care
South Carolina doctor's approach to health care
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:06 pm to Bass Tiger
Uniparty exposed now, just like the fake arse media. Only idiots now fully support one of the parties.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:08 pm to Bass Tiger
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Yes or no, could the R's, all voting together repeal the ACA, if the answer is yes then they should have had something meaningful to present to the American people as an alternative and then show the American people how this alternative to Obammy Care was going benefit the vast majority of Americans.
It's "No and No".
You are clearly unaware. The Reps CANNOT fully repeal Obamacare with only 52.
Again, every... single... bill... they've been arguing over since day one has been a Reconciliation bill. Even the latest "Repeal bill" was only a half-measured incomplete partial repeal attempt.
I'll repeat this so it sinks in...
A full repeal requires a full new bill.
A full replace requires a full new bill.
They can't do this without 60 votes, which they can't get because of Democrats not willing to cross the aisle.
The reason all the attempts have failed is because some Reps refuse to only do a half-measured Reconciliation bill.
Why? Because Reconciliation still leaves bad portions of Obamacare mandates in effect. These mandates do not help costs and just kick the failure/implosion can a little down the road.
BUT, because of Democrats obstructing full new bills, Reconciliation is the ONLY option.
This isn't something Republicans can control and overcome even if all 52 votes together.
This isn't something they could or would have "prepared for".
Blaming Reps is ignorant.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:27 pm to BeefDawg
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It's "No and No".
You are clearly unaware. The Reps CANNOT fully repeal Obamacare with only 52.
Again, every... single... bill... they've been arguing over since day one has been a Reconciliation bill. Even the latest "Repeal bill" was only a half-measured incomplete partial repeal attempt.
I'll repeat this so it sinks in...
A full repeal requires a full new bill.
A full replace requires a full new bill.
They can't do this without 60 votes, which they can't get because of Democrats not willing to cross the aisle.
The reason all the attempts have failed is because some Reps refuse to only do a half-measured Reconciliation bill.
Why? Because Reconciliation still leaves bad portions of Obamacare mandates in effect. These mandates do not help costs and just kick the failure/implosion can a little down the road.
BUT, because of Democrats obstructing full new bills, Reconciliation is the ONLY option.
This isn't something Republicans can control and overcome even if all 52 votes together.
This isn't something they could or would have "prepared for".
Blaming Reps is ignorant.
You're making my point with the bold text above, some R's after several years still are not on the same page, Dims don't play this shite, they rally around the cause and make shite happen.
Is not the 3/5 vote a Senate precedent and not law? Nuclear Option!
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:49 pm to Bass Tiger
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You're making my point with the bold text above, some R's after several years still are not on the same page,
Except your take on this makes it sound like they had other options.
They didn't. No matter what they tried, Reconciliation was going to end up as Obamacare Lite and doomed for failure.
There are only two choices, Obamacare Lite, or Nothing/stay as is.
The nuclear option has nothing to do with what has been happening. It's a potential solution to all this, but still doesn't make your thread you've made here accurate.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:54 pm to bamarep
no, there are other options
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That's our only option.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:56 pm to Bass Tiger
The majority never intended to repeal it. The insurance donors et al give them too much money. The fiefdoms are secure. Don't make them rock the boat.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 4:58 pm to BeefDawg
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the Dems refuse to cross the aisle.
Come up with a Republican plan that expands coverage and lowers prices to Americans, and Democrats will gladly cross the aisle.
Come up with the bullshite that was AHCA, BCRA, ORRA, and the AFHA? frick off.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 8:09 pm to BamaAtl
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Come up with a Republican plan that expands coverage and lowers prices to Americans, and Democrats will gladly cross the aisle.
bullshite. Who are you trying to fool? The Dems will obstruct until the bitter end. No freaking way will they cross the aisle on healthcare. You're being intellectually dishonest just suggesting it's a possibility.
BTW, Rand Paul's plan does exactly what you said. But it's futile for him to even present it because Dems have vowed to filibuster.
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Come up with the bullshite that was AHCA, BCRA, ORRA, and the AFHA? frick off.
Those were ALL Reconciliation bills. They are Obamacare with a few budgetary changes. That's why they sucked.
You Libs just refuse to be honest about this stuff. I really don't get how you can run such dishonest lives like this and look at yourselves in the mirror without feeling any guilt about the bullshite you spew to reach your goals and push your agenda.
Obamacare is yours, and it's still the law of the land, and it's hurting millions of people. And yet you're sitting here ridiculing Reconciliation bills knowing full well a new full bill is what's needed to fix our healthcare system.
God you Lefties are the worst human beings.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 8:13 pm
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