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F-35 cost $400 billion and can't carry the weapons system it was designed for
Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:53 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:53 am
I read this article this morning. I know it's extremely Germans to crap on the F-35 program but I didn't realize how inefficient and ineffective it was until i read this article.
F-35 is over budget, behind schedule, and less effective than most of the planes it was designed to replace
Thread title changed to account for the lack of my critical thinking skills.
F-35 is over budget, behind schedule, and less effective than most of the planes it was designed to replace
Thread title changed to account for the lack of my critical thinking skills.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 7:02 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:54 am to Oilfieldbiology
Yeah no.
Read that again.
Read that again.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:57 am to Oilfieldbiology
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You can pay for ~30 new (and over budget) aircraft carriers for a single F-35
It's grossly overbudget and a boondoggle but you're comparing per unit price with the total program price.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:00 am to jamboybarry
Yeah probably should have thought that one through.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:01 am to Oilfieldbiology
That's what happens when you try to use one air-frame to support too many missions in three separate branches of the military.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:01 am to Oilfieldbiology
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This jet is so bad, and so expensive, and so late, that significant, stealthier upgrades to the existing workhorses: The F-15 Eagle, F-16 Falcon, F-18 Hornetand A-10 Warthog – are being hurriedly rolled out. The F-15 Silent Eagle and the F-18 Advanced Super Hornet are starting to look like sensible replacements for the F-35. They may also become indispensible replacements, since the new wing on the F-35, we just now discover, will delay the seven years overdue jet by another five years.
Scrap that bitch
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:03 am to TheArrogantCorndog
quote:It's the biggest procurement cluster-f in DoD history, and boy is that saying something.
Scrap that bitch
But at almost $500B in, we're pot committed.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:03 am to TheArrogantCorndog
quote:
Scrap that bitch
Trump will be labeled a job killer for it as it will hurt the us manufacturers
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:07 am to Navytiger74
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It's the biggest procurement cluster-f in DoD history, and boy is that saying something.
100% agree
All that money for the world's most expensive flying turd
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:07 am to TheArrogantCorndog
I was in awe of how disappointing this jet performed and mildly amused about it until I read that line. This means that the jet will be around 12 years overdue and that's if nothing else goes wrong.
This weapons system make take a quarter of a trillion dollars (complete guess on my part) to complete. That is insanity. If something costs that much to develop, it better be the best at everything, and it appears it is the best at nothing and bad at several things
This weapons system make take a quarter of a trillion dollars (complete guess on my part) to complete. That is insanity. If something costs that much to develop, it better be the best at everything, and it appears it is the best at nothing and bad at several things
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:08 am to Crimson Wraith
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That's what happens when you try to use one air-frame to support too many missions in three separate branches of the military.
It didn't work before either.
What? Yes of course I had this model kit.
As I recall hearing about this POS, they kept changing the requirements and all, it finally got too heavy to land on aircraft carriers.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 8:49 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:10 am to Navytiger74
That is called sunk cost. At some point, someone needs to make a call on how viable it is going forward.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:11 am to Navytiger74
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But at almost $500B in, we're pot committed
This thinking is how we got here in the first place.
Any good businessman will tell you that using sunk costs to justify future decisions is a fool's errand.
The only questions NOW are simple.
1. Will the plane ever meet requirements.
2. If not, STARTING today, could we meet requirements on a new plane?
3. If yes to number 2, what would it cost
4. If no to number 2, can we do better than the F35? If so. What will it cost.
5a Finally, if we stick with the F35, how soon will we be stuck starting a new program to replace is sorry arse?
5b. When considering non F35 options in prior questions, the answer to 5a must be considered.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:11 am to Oilfieldbiology
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This weapons system make take a quarter of a trillion dollars (complete guess on my part) to complete. That is insanity. If something costs that much to develop, it better be the best at everything, and it appears it is the best at nothing and bad at several things
I read a thing maybe a year ago about how they changed some of the conduits/wiring in the internal bay and wthout realizing it, impeded the aircraft's ability to carry bombs/munitions internally. It could only carry 3 vice the original 4.
How the frick could that happen?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:13 am to WhiskeyPapa
Those worked pretty well on Libya in the 80's.
Used them a bit in DESERT STORM too.
Used them a bit in DESERT STORM too.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:14 am to WhiskeyPapa
I'm guessing that they had different teams in different departments for each individual aspect of this plane, and none of them communicated with each other. Then they must of had different team leaders that would approve the changes without consulting other team leaders. Lack of communication is my only guess if this is true
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:15 am to AUCE05
quote:Fully familiar with the concept, but at $500B into what will likely be a $2T program I'd love to see the ballsy bastard that calls it sunk costs and dusts his hands. We still need a new 5th generation fighter since the F-22 program is finished, and our allies are waste deep in this shite too.
That is called sunk cost. At some point, someone needs to make a call on how viable it is going forward.
They need to figure out how to make this work or prepare a suite of cells at a federal pen for every GO/FO, project manager, and industry executive who touched this shite. And save some space for some members of the Armed Services Committee.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:16 am to jamboybarry
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quote: You can pay for ~30 new (and over budget) aircraft carriers for a single F-35
What??
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:17 am to ShortyRob
quote:Were we that far in when the thinking started? That's just reality. They're going to have to figure out a way to get and keep those pieces of shite in the air for at least a decade and a half.
This thinking is how we got here in the first place.
Any good businessman will tell you that using sunk costs to justify future decisions is a fool's errand.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:18 am to ShortyRob
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Proponents of the F-35 claim that this is misleading. The F-35 has an extraordinary radar and sensor system that gives the F-35 an all-aspect capability. That means that unlike the F-16 and other legacy fighters, the F-35 does not need to be able to out-turn the Snake because it does not need to be behind the target in order to fire its air-to-air weapons.
This quote reminds me a lot of hearing the higher ups state that once radar and missles were installed in planes that they would no longer need machine guns or good pilots
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