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Evidence Calls Western Narrative About Syrian Chemical Attack Into Question

Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:21 am
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:21 am
by William Craddick
Apr 6, 2017 1:53 PM



The April 4th, 2017 incident at Khan Sheikhoun has provoked an emotional response around the world after images began to emerge showing civilian adults and children apparently suffering from the effects of chemical weapons. President Donald Trump has stated that the attack has totally changed his views towards the Syrian civil war, and may alter his intended strategy there.

Although Western media immediately accused Bashar al-Assad of participating in a gas attack against his own people, the evidence indicates that the intended target was not immediately in a civilian area and was in fact a location where Syrian White Helmets were on the scene with rebel groups at what observers have claimed was a storage facility for conventional and chemical munitions. Additionally, evidence indicates that rebel groups may have had prior knowledge of the attack and knew that there was a risk of chemical weapons being unleashed. The attack also came in the aftermath of a trip by Senator John McCain to meet with groups known to associate with radical jihadist factions in Syria, at a time when the United States government has been engulfed in a power struggle between different political factions who disagree strongly over what should be appropriate policy in regards to the Syrian civil war.

I. Evidence From Khan Sheikhoun Does Not Support Assertions Of Airborne Chemical Weapons Use


Evidence which has emerged in the aftermath of the attack at Khan Sheikhoun indicates that not only was the nature of the attack misreported by the media, but that certain individuals on the ground in Syria may have had foreknowledge of the attack up to several days before it happened. On April 3rd, 2017, an anti-Assad journalist tweeted that the next day he would be launching a media campaign to cover airstrikes on the Hama countryside, including the use of chemical weapons. It is not clear how the reporter was able to know that chemical weapons would be used an entire day before the attacks occurred.


Tweet from journalist one day before the attack indicating foreknowledge about chemical weapons usage
Observers further noted that on April 1st, 2017, a doctor on the ground in Khan Sheikhoun, Dr. Shajul Islam, had received several shipments of gas masks in the days running up to the chemical incident. The revelations on Twitter fueled speculation that opposition figures were aware of the chemical attack days before it actually happened, contesting the narrative that the Syrian government was responsible. Daily Mail has reported that Dr. Shajul Islam was at one point sought by the British government in connection with the abduction of two journalists in Syria, and security services have stated that Islam and his brother may have had ties to ISIS executioner "Jihadi John."

Additionally, footage from the scene of the incident taken by the Syrian White Helmets appears to show that their operatives were not assisting victims in a manner that was consistent with established protocol on how to handle sarin saturated bodies. Images appear to show that Syrian White Helmet operatives were handling purported sarin victims with their bare hands, rather than with gloves, which is necessary to prevent the rescuer being injured by the chemical themselves. They also appear to be using simple dust masks, which are not suitable protection in the event of a sarin attack.



Image released by the Syrian White Helmets which shows rescue workers handling victims with their bare hands and inadequate gas masks, undermining claims of sarin usage


Disobedient Media has reported in January that the Syrian White Helmets are heavily supported by the United State government via USAID, are implicated in war crimes committed in Aleppo and other parts of Syria during the civil war and appear to have a large number of members who are involved with local Syrian militia groups and jihadist organizations. The White Helmets have also been caught staging rescue footage for propaganda purposes in the past.

United Arab Emirates-based Al-Masdar News has also cited Twitter users who noted that photos of the Khan Sheikhoun attack appear to show storage facilities rather than a residential area and speculated that the White Helmets may have been using the location alongside rebel groups who were storing munitions in the area. The Russian Ministry of Defense have stated that the release of any chemicals was a result of a Syrian government airstrike against rebel supply depots in the area where chemical arms were being produced.

II. Rebels Are Known To Have Possessed And Used Chemical Weapons In Syria For Some Time

While the Syrian government surrendered their chemical arms stockpiles for destruction several years ago, evidence indicates that rebel groups in Syria have ramped up their own supplies of the deadly weapons systems and have not hesitated to deploy them in combat. On June 23rd, 2014, The Wall Street Journal reported that the Syrian government had completed the removal of all chemical weapons from the country per and agreement they had reached with the United States. The handover was confirmed by the United Nations Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. While the Syrian government have surrendered their chemical weapons, rebel groups have acquired and used them in increasing numbers.

The supplies for these weapons appear to come from multiple sources. Before they were handed over to the U.S. military, rebel groups such as ISIS were able to capture stockpiles of chemical weapons from Syrian army depots. On July 9th, 2014, just weeks after the Syrian army's handover, The Guardian reported that ISIS had captured a massive former Iraqi chemical weapons facility northwest of Baghdad, confiscating over 2,500 degraded chemical rockets filled with sarin. Research has also led to speculation that ISIS and other rebel groups may have been able to access materials for chemical weapons stored by Muammar Gaddafi in Libya. In November 2016, The New York Times acknowledged that ISIS had used chemical arms at least 52 times in Syria and Iraq."

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Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:24 am to
I knew it was McCain and his Hydra Army
Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:25 am to
You don't gas your own country , period.
Posted by Iosh
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:25 am to
quote:

On April 3rd, 2017, an anti-Assad journalist tweeted that the next day he would be launching a media campaign to cover airstrikes on the Hama countryside, including the use of chemical weapons. It is not clear how the reporter was able to know that chemical weapons would be used an entire day before the attacks occurred.
Because Assad had been using chlorine repeatedly in Hama prior to the Tweet? LINK LINK

PS: Khan Shaykhun is not "the Hama countryside." It's in Idlib province.
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 10:26 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
23965 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:26 am to
Look man, within 72 hours of having tissue samples we knew what kind of gas, the lab it was made in, how it was delivered and by whom.

Trump sees the evidence and was pissed (as he should be).

Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
14110 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:26 am to
quote:

On July 9th, 2014, just weeks after the Syrian army's handover, The Guardian reported that ISIS had captured a massive former Iraqi chemical weapons facility northwest of Baghdad, confiscating over 2,500 degraded chemical rockets filled with sarin.


But they said Iraq didn't have any chemical weapons
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:38 am to
Of course you gas your own country if you think parts are overrun by rebels.
Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
14110 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:41 am to
Torturing and killing your own citizens, hell bring on the rebels.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:42 am to
quote:

Torturing and killing your own citizens, hell bring on the rebels


Why is this our problem again?
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:44 am to
"The Syrian government has been making serious gains in the civil war, recapturing the city of Aleppo and pushing against rebel groups in many other parts of the country with the support of the Russian Federation. It is strategically counterintuitive to assume that Bashar al-Assad would engage in a chemical attack on Syrians just one week after figures in the American government expressed the opinion that they would be willing to allow him to remain in power. The Syrian government no longer even possesses chemical weapons, as the United Nations and U.S. Department of State have already confirmed.

The involvement of the US-supported White Helmets, who have a history of association with war crimes and extremist groups in Syria and the apparent anger from the factions in the American government who oppose President Trump's policies in Syria suggests that the facts surrounding the Khan Sheikhoun attack are being intentionally distorted for political gain. The apparent association of Senator John McCain with groups linked to extremism in Syria just weeks before the attack and his financial ties to states which have supplied rebel groups with chemical arms only serves to create further concerns that factions of the United States government are illicitly attempting to promote confrontation and drive increased U.S. military involvement in Syria. It may be some time before the full picture about the Khan Sheikhoun tragedy becomes apparent, but is more than clear that Syrian rebel groups hope to use the incident as a means of provoking increased Western support in their fight against the Russian-backed government."

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Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68199 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:52 am to
So everyone else is to be labelled wrong while Zerohedge with hearsay evidence is correct. Sounds reasonable
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:56 am to
Some fairly credible European outlets have been more skeptical than the Israel-backed US media outlets.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 10:59 am to
quote:

You don't gas your own country , period.



Sadam?
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27305 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 11:02 am to
You just cited ZeroHedge.

That is a known Russian propaganda site.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 11:05 am to
quote:

Torturing and killing your own citizens, hell bring on the rebels.


Do you seriously think this is an unusual occurrence?
Khemr Rouge
Sadam Hussein
Joseph Stalin
Kim Il Sung
Pol Pot
Adolph Hitler

These are names of dictators right off the top of my head that have killed their own citizens.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 11:22 am to
Saddam gassed the Kurds. He didn't give a frick about them.
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
Member since Aug 2016
9277 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 11:23 am to
Did zerohedge fake the picture in the article?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68199 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 11:28 am to
quote:

Some fairly credible European outlets have been more skeptical than the Israel-backed US media outlets.


So they are skeptical, fine. The problem is that too many on here are unshakably convinced.
Posted by MButterfly
Quantico
Member since Oct 2015
6860 posts
Posted on 4/10/17 at 11:37 am to
Whisey lies alot.

1- Was busted all day yesterday for lyin.

2- Stated that there are no survivors to Sarin gas because it stops the diaphragm, therefore giving them oxygen will not help. He was shown text book procedures and giving oxygen was part of the treatment.

3- Foaming at the mouth... He lied about that too. Claims that Sarin gas does not cause excessive salivation. It does.

I already see 3 issues just at a glance.

1- No white hats helping
2- Gas mask

The picture is not a video. Perhaps the guy just got there, perhaps he's on his way to help. Second using his own posted picture, please tell me what color hat is on the guy in the middle? White.

The same guy with the white hat is also wearing a gas mask, and the guy closest in the photo is wearing a gas mask. The only person not wearing one is NOT wearing a white hat. Who is he? Are there enough masks? Is a gas mask even REQUIRED at that stage of treatment?

At that stage, it's not. Per the CDC
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