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Electoral College changes the value of a person, a bit like slavery
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:03 pm
Can snowflakes cry????
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At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, a curious compromise was struck. Southern states wanted slaves counted when determining how representatives to Congress would be apportioned. Ultimately, Northern states agreed to treat each slave as 3/5ths of a person for such purposes. Given the unprecedented results of the 2016 presidential election, we began wondering whether some Americans are once again worth more than others.
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:13 pm to MButterfly
That is not how or why the EC was created.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:17 pm to FreddieMac
Just amazed at the lack of reasoning of the left.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:18 pm to MButterfly
Again the EC is necessary.
But do people not think there would be ridiculous arguments from the other side if the election results were reversed?
But do people not think there would be ridiculous arguments from the other side if the election results were reversed?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:19 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Sure, but there currently aren't and the only ones complaining are the Democrats.
But do people not think there would be ridiculous arguments from the other side if the election results were reversed?
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:20 pm to MButterfly
So all animals are created equal but some are more equal?
I think I've read that somewhere before.
I think I've read that somewhere before.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:24 pm to buckeye_vol
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But do people not think there would be ridiculous arguments from the other side if the election results were reversed
Conservatives pretty universally respect the electoral college because conservatives generally respect the formational underpinnings of our republic. So while I'm sure there would be some blathering, I won't concede it would be as broadly argued.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:25 pm to Scruffy
quote:Sure. And we should call your the ridiculousness, but I think many calling out the "lack of reasoning" are likely to be ones that would use the same types of reasoning given the reversal.
Sure, but there currently aren't and the only ones complaining are the Democrats.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:27 pm to MButterfly
frick that.... DEMOCRATS wanted slaves counted as 3/5 of a person. Now they don't want some people in certain States counted at all.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:28 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:Principled conservatives sure.
Conservatives pretty universally respect the electoral college because conservatives generally respect the formational underpinnings of our republic.
But those that argue for things like unconstitutional laws and regulations when it fits their perspective, are probably going to argue against the EC if it doesn't benefit them as well.
But in general, the right is less likely to have the same level of "melting."
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:31 pm to MButterfly
EC means Gen population of California is powerful but it's not ALL powerful.
No EC means Gen Pop of states like Oregon, NC, Wyoming, Maine and the majority of other states have NO value. None.
No EC means Gen Pop of states like Oregon, NC, Wyoming, Maine and the majority of other states have NO value. None.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:34 pm to MButterfly
The people who's value is being changed are a bunch of entitled whiteys. We are just checking their privilege for them.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:35 pm to buckeye_vol
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Principled conservatives sure.
But those that argue for things like unconstitutional laws and regulations when it fits their perspective, are probably going to argue against the EC if it doesn't benefit them as well.
But in general, the right is less likely to have the same level of "melting."
I am an advocate of the EC because it gives weight to states such as Louisiana, or Ohio, who if we elected strictly on popular vote, would get shite on..
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:37 pm to buckeye_vol
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Sure. And we should call your the ridiculousness, but I think many calling out the "lack of reasoning" are likely to be ones that would use the same types of reasoning given the reversal.
Think harder
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:38 pm to Friscodog
quote:See I don't care as much about that.
I am an advocate of the EC because it gives weight to states such as Louisiana, or Ohio, who if we elected strictly on popular vote, would get shite on..
I think that because it acts like 51 (including DC) seperate elections, it provides safeguards against state-level shenanigans.
This is why I think district-level EC votes, with 2 state level votes for the winners, would be even more ideal.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:40 pm to gthog61
quote:OK. I did. I still think that.
Think harder
Just like I those Trump supporters who were upset when Kasich refused to--unconstitutionally--ban guns during the RNC.
Many are consistent and principled, but some throw those out when it doesn't support their cause.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:46 pm to MButterfly
So much historical fail
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:49 pm to AustinTigr
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DEMOCRATS wanted slaves counted as 3/5 of a person. Now they don't want some people in certain States counted at all.
Not strictly true. Southerners ("Democrats") wanted to count slaves as FULL people for apportionment, reps, electors. They didn't want them to vote or be free, but they wanted them counted.
Yankees ("Republicans") wanted to count slaves as not people at all. Most of them didn't give a shite about the slaves, but wanted to dilute southern voting power.
One of my pet peeves is folks who try to misrepresent the 3/5 compromise and pretend it is even remotely relevant to any political dispute of contemporary America.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 7:50 pm to MButterfly
Whoever wrote that is the dumbest fricker on this planet.
Posted on 11/30/16 at 8:49 pm to Ace Midnight
Actually pre 1800 there was not a Republican or Democrat Party.
The 3/5s was a north south compromise
The 3/5s was a north south compromise
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