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re: Don't make political statements in the workplace

Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9322 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:50 pm to
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You disagree that it's more difficult to replace an NFL Safety than a fast food worker?


An NFL safety is any player given a contract by the NFL.

Let's say all owners adopted Jerry Jones's "kneel and get fired" stance. They let's say 90% of the NFL's players quit. The game would go on and the new players signed from college would now be NFL players and they would be watched. It's not like you'd be replacing the players with elderly women. To the naked eye, they'd appear identical.

Don't make it a talent argument because college games get great ratings and the worst pro team would destroy a college team.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72671 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:51 pm to
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With my job, we can't even put stickers on our cars, signs in our yards, or talk politics on social media. Some of us do anyway, but if caught you have to deal with the consequences. Does this policy chap my arse some? Yes, but I like my job so I'm willing to play ball. It should be the same for the players.


Why? You think every other company in the country should be required to operate their business the same as your company operates theirs?
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48329 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:52 pm to
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Does this policy chap my arse some? Yes, but I like my job so I'm willing to play ball. It should be the same for the players.


Except that isn't the NFL's policy.

Do you think we should force private employers to enact speech codes for their workers?
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14513 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:52 pm to
To me there is a hierarchy:

-Government censorship of an individual's opinion- BOO, everyone thinks this is bad.

-Business's censorship of an individual's political opinion outside of work- BOO, this is bad. Censorship is not even the right word, but "firing or other retaliation because of" is too wordy.

-Business's censorship of a high profile employee's political opinion outside of work- Like a CEO or someone else frequently in the public eye. Hmm, I can kinda sorta understand this but if often seems to break against conservatives more than liberals.

-Business's censorship of an employee's political opinion during work- Most people would be OK with this.

-Business's censorship of a high profile employee's political opinion during work expressed through in a very divisive manner (like kneeling during the anthem)-seems like a no brainer.


The big countervailing force is how valuable that employee is. They might be justified in firing an employee, but may choose not to because they score 3 TD's a game (or is the only person who understands the accounting system).



Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:52 pm to
I wish all the leftists here would try it and report back
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
17057 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:53 pm to
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With my job, we can't even put stickers on our cars, signs in our yards, or talk politics on social media. Some of us do anyway, but if caught you have to deal with the consequences. Does this policy chap my arse some? Yes, but I like my job so I'm willing to play ball. It should be the same for the players.



If you were generating 100 million a year for the company do you think it would be different?
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
20463 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:54 pm to
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Why? You think every other company in the country should be required to operate their business the same as your company operates theirs?


No, to each company their own. However, if such an issue adversely affects your business/product with the public, the owners should not be afraid to enact such a policy if they desire without fear of being branded a racist.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17260 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:54 pm to
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It should be the same for the players.


Their CBA says nah.

I bet if this thing does end up hurting the league and the owners are willing to let players start smoking the Devil's Lettuce, they can get mandatory standing for the anthem added, though, so keep up that boycott if it really matters that much to you.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted by Mindenfan
Minden
Member since Sep 2006
4788 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:54 pm to
I would lose my job in a New York second.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55839 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

It should be the same for the players.
why? the NFL can do what it wants.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54229 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

You think every other company in the country should be required to operate their business the same as your company operates theirs?


Mine did as far as company property went. At home, they didn't have a sayso.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72671 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:55 pm to
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No, to each company their own.


Oh...

quote:

It should be the same for the players.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72671 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:56 pm to
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Mine did as far as company property went.


Sure, but they chose to do that.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
17057 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

ClientNumber9


quote:

An NFL safety is any player given a contract by the NFL.

Let's say all owners adopted Jerry Jones's "kneel and get fired" stance. They let's say 90% of the NFL's players quit. The game would go on and the new players signed from college would now be NFL players and they would be watched. It's not like you'd be replacing the players with elderly women. To the naked eye, they'd appear identical.

Don't make it a talent argument because college games get great ratings and the worst pro team would destroy a college team.


Why doesn't your company fire everyone and hire people with only GEDs?
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9322 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:57 pm to
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You disagree that it's more difficult to replace an NFL Safety than a fast food worker? Do you also disagree with Supply and Demand? Gravity? Helocentrisim?


Also, since you seem so versed in supply and demand and economics, surely you realize that the players need the owners a lot more than vice versa. I PROMISE you if the NFL said "no more kneeling or you're fired", there'd be no more kneeling. That's a fact. You think it's coincidence that no one on the Cowboys has knelt? Most of these players read at an 8th grade level and couldn't do anything else to make $500,000 a year. They will do what they're ordered to do, just like most employees.

Players, like the rest of us, need that paycheck more than the CEO.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58173 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:58 pm to
Yep. I don't think the fast food workers opinion about social or political issues has any more weight than that of athletes.
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9322 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:59 pm to
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Why doesn't your company fire everyone and hire people with only GEDs?


Because I do important work not aimed at entertaining fan bois.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112596 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:59 pm to
What if you're a professor of Gender Studies?
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
17057 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:00 pm to
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Yep. I don't think the fast food workers opinion about social or political issues has any more weight than that of athletes.



And yet it does
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79875 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 1:00 pm to
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"We encourage our employees to be able to express themselves as they see fit."


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