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re: Does Trump accept victory with grace?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:02 pm to 225bred
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:02 pm to 225bred
quote:Oblivious to context? You just posted a photo of a bunch of players who weren't kneeling before Trump's comments, who were kneeling after them, and decided the kneeling was contempt for veterans and average Americans.
You are such a douche contrarian oblivious of context.
You didn't just ignore a general context, both before and after the comments, you ignored the comments themselves, and their explicit referral to comments, you came to an absolute conclusion of something with absolutely nothing to support it.
I may be wrong a lot, but I can confidently day that in this instance, you're just making up a reality that is counter to all of the available evidence and instead based on something that you just have made up in your own mind.
This is SJWer reasoning, but maybe worse since it appears to also be to irrationally support a politician, not just to irrationally support a cause.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:05 pm to Flavius Belisarius
quote:I actually don't disagree, because perception is reality when it comes to public opinion. But doesn't that bother people, that the thing that they are supposedly so outraged about was made worse just to win the political game of public opinion, based on eliciting anger and disregarding logic?
Either way, Trump wins.
And is that especially bothersome when there are plenty of other things of substance to focus on and worry about?
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:07 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Yet somehow not a single one of those players in the photo had enough contempt in the weeks before to kneel or sit.
And I don't recall anything newsworthy about vets or average joes that happened in the interim to push their contempt over the edge. But I do recall the president insulting the 0.03% of the NFL players who were kneeling the first 2 weeks. And I also recall the players explicitly referencing those comments as justification for a response before it happened.
Nah. Clearly it must have been that their contempt for the vets just randomly occured at the same time with no rhyme or reason why, either stated by them or observed by the rest of us, and Trump's comments coincidentally coincided with that and their explicit reference to them was also coincidental and not really relevant.
You people really need to learn when to accept defeat. You've been thoroughly whipped on this, yet you quadruple and pentuple down on an absolutely losing position. If this keeps going, it has the potential to morph into other sports/seasons, extending all the way into midterms next year.
By all means, keep claiming that a protest that started when Obama was president is somehow Trump's fault. You may trigger another R landslide.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:10 pm to IAmReality
He better gloat. He's accomplished so much this week.
One week ago: Nobody gave a shite about a few kneelers.
Today: Not only did just about every team kneel at least once but everybody has been talking about it for days.
One week ago: "I don't give a shite about their politics. Just entertain me.
Today: For a week, several threads a day titled "Seriously, what are the players really protesting? What's the goal? Somebody tell me."
One week ago: CTE? I don't care. They got paid and they knew what they were signing up for.
Today: You know, the NFL has really made me sick. Unless they fundamentally change the way they do business, I'm out!
One week ago: Jerry Jones said "Kneel and your arse is off the team!"
Today: The entire team, including Jerry Jones, kneels at midfield.
One week ago: Nobody gave a shite about a few kneelers.
Today: Not only did just about every team kneel at least once but everybody has been talking about it for days.
One week ago: "I don't give a shite about their politics. Just entertain me.
Today: For a week, several threads a day titled "Seriously, what are the players really protesting? What's the goal? Somebody tell me."
One week ago: CTE? I don't care. They got paid and they knew what they were signing up for.
Today: You know, the NFL has really made me sick. Unless they fundamentally change the way they do business, I'm out!
One week ago: Jerry Jones said "Kneel and your arse is off the team!"
Today: The entire team, including Jerry Jones, kneels at midfield.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:11 pm to buckeye_vol
fricking liar.
There's six in that one photo.
There's six in that one photo.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:12 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
You didn't just ignore a general context, both before and after the comments, you ignored the comments themselves, and their explicit referral to comments, you came to an absolute conclusion of something with absolutely nothing to support it.
I think 99% of people do not believe this has anything to do with Trump's comments. It was an attempt by the NFL to provide cover for players, and backfired spectacularly. Most believe these players sympathize with CK, and his original anti-American position.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:15 pm to Retlaw
quote:If providing facts is a sign that one had lost a war, because the facts are irrelevant to feelings, then we all lose.
If your down to counting kneelers as a counter argument, isn't it possible you've lost the war here?
Instead the progressive/SJWer mindset that one's own feelings are the the only thing that matters, is shown to be prevalent on both sides of the political spectrum, even if the causes are different.
And not only do we all lose, it shows that losing seems like the most likely outcome moving forward. But people will probably wonder why our government is terrible, and why the elected officials are not only terrible but actually benefit from it. O well.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:16 pm to Walking the Earth
One week ago: Guess I'll pick the kids up some McDonald's and soda on my way home from work.
Today: I'm boycotting nasty fast food and soft drinks. Tonight, the kids get a delicious and nutritious home cooked meal.
One week ago: It's finally the weekend. Guess I'll drink my life away until Monday.
Today: Budweiser? No, thank you!
One week ago: Time for the usual Sunday of watching 16 hours straight of TV and eating Frito-Lay chips.
Today: Wow...the sunlight didn't kill me after all.
Today: I'm boycotting nasty fast food and soft drinks. Tonight, the kids get a delicious and nutritious home cooked meal.
One week ago: It's finally the weekend. Guess I'll drink my life away until Monday.
Today: Budweiser? No, thank you!
One week ago: Time for the usual Sunday of watching 16 hours straight of TV and eating Frito-Lay chips.
Today: Wow...the sunlight didn't kill me after all.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:17 pm to IAmReality
quote:
Does Trump accept victory with grace?
Do Leftists?
Rub their noses in like when you dog craps on the rug.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:21 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
And is that especially bothersome
No it's never bothersome when the idiots are snuffed out and the good guys win.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:24 pm to Flavius Belisarius
quote:I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you made up some illogical number to support your even more illogical belief via a logical fallacy (an appeal to authority). It's impressive in a terrifying way because if that is widely held here, a place full of intelligent people who have apparently disregarded their ability to reason, then I can't imagine what the general public's reasoning is when many didn't how the ability in the first place.
I think 99% of people do not believe this has anything to do with Trump's comments.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:24 pm to IAmReality
quote:
Does Trump accept victory with grace?
I"m just wondering how he can get the left to go all in talking about how shitty America is and frick whitey again.
Trolling them into doing it seems to be getting easier as we go.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:28 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
But I do recall the president insulting the 0.03% of the NFL players who were kneeling the first 2 weeks
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:31 pm to IAmReality
Let's not be too quick to declare victory, Fellow Patriots.
I think Trump needs to continue to focus on this for the foreseeable future. If he calls off the dogs too soon, that will be interpreted as weakness.
I think Trump needs to continue to focus on this for the foreseeable future. If he calls off the dogs too soon, that will be interpreted as weakness.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:34 pm to ScoopAndScore
quote:The good guys don't make problems unnecessarily worse, especially through insults. And the good guys don't misrepresent the problem by ignoring the insult and that the problem was actually in response to the insult. And the good guys don't use that to misrepresentation and the selective ignoring to claim moral superiority for their own self-gratification. And finally the good guys, don't then claim some hard fought victory when things go back to where they were before they made the problems worse to further fees their own self-gratification.
No it's never bothersome when the idiots are snuffed out and the good guys win.
The NFL players may not be the good guys, but their opponents weren't either.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:39 pm to buckeye_vol
What the frick are you talking about
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:39 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
I actually don't disagree, because perception is reality when it comes to public opinion. But doesn't that bother people, that the thing that they are supposedly so outraged about was made worse just to win the political game of public opinion, based on eliciting anger and disregarding logic?
Honestly, if you're going to be a contrarian, you need to get much better at actually looking at things from outside the narrative.
The kneeling, while certainly getting the lion's share of the attention from both sides is but a footnote really.
What Trump did, intentionally, or by dumb luck, is get the left to AGAIN.........come out forcefully anti-American and anti white.
It takes virtually zero effort to see that the argument over the kneelers actually became more important than the kneeling because, as always, the left couldn't restrict itself to saying, "I value their right to kneel even if I don't agree".
All over the airwaves, and all over social media, the left went past that to "I support the kneeler cause they're right..........America is a racist shithole and frick whitey".
They did the same on the heels of the statue debate. They do it basically 100% of the time.
Truth is, they've ALWAYS done it but prior to Social media, average joes and janes never saw it cause it didn't get covered.
Unfortunately for the left, their crazies are no longer muzzled and are FAR more numerous than they would like to admit.
And. The American people get to bear witness to it every time these subjects come up.
So, maybe Trump tripped over this one and got lucky but, I gotta say. He's managed to trip over it and get lucky like 50 times in the last 18 months. And STILL, the left seems entirely unaware of it.
So, that's one lucky fricker.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:52 pm to IAmReality
quote:
You're going to have very few kneelers this weekend, possibly 0.
i'm glad he's so focused on the real and serious problems at hand for the US...
Posted on 9/28/17 at 9:53 pm to chRxis
quote:The fact that the left is so anti-American and anti-White is a serious issue
i'm glad he's so focused on the real and serious problems at hand for the US...
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