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Does anyone worry we're just flipping back and forth between D and R

Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:14 am
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:14 am
Uniparty gives everyone a periodic sense they won or lost, then it goes the other way. One side celebrates, the other feels bad then next election the tide turns again.

This is what our national politics have looked like since Reagan, and purple states seem to be following suit.

I'm trying not to temper my excitement about Virginia, particularly because it's probably a bellwether for national elections, but I'm also looking in my crystal ball and seeing another Dem victory in eight years

Mostly I worry none of this matters and most of the Rs end up governing as Ds anyway
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 8:16 am
Posted by Hobnailboot
Minneapolis
Member since Sep 2012
6094 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:17 am to
It's a fight to the death. America vs. Terrorism. It will go back and forth until one loses.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:18 am to
I imagine your ideal policy platform isn't palatable to the vast majority of America and you're labeling the historically popular centrism (of both parties) as the "Uniparty".
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
9967 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:19 am to
Well yeah. Centrism is capitulation and tends to lean left.

You want that?
Posted by Upperaltiger06
North Alabama
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:21 am to
The pendulum is swinging rapidly.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:22 am to
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Well yeah. Centrism is capitulation and tends to lean left.

Society moves left naturally, so yeah. Well, that's assuming your society advances and improves each generation.

That's why set ideals are important, especially as it relates to culture. Promoting massive shifts based on popularity is how you allow extremism to inject itself into your country.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7548 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:22 am to
I actually think the left is going further left and that’s why you see the backlash.

Keep in mind, Trumps victory in 2016 was because people have had enough. There are a great many people who found him very polarizing and didn’t like his style but still voted for him.

And I wouldn’t call 2020 a swing to Dem success in elections. It’s so painfully obvious to anyone with a brain multiple means of election and voter fraud had an effect.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:23 am to
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It's a fight to the death. America vs. Terrorism. It will go back and forth until one loses.



Amen. We’re no where near out of the woods but today is definitely the biggest ray of ahi shine we’ve had in a year. Don’t let your guard down. Remain vigilant. Stock up.
Posted by Hobnailboot
Minneapolis
Member since Sep 2012
6094 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:25 am to
Until we drive that Terrorist from the gavel we haven't won anything.
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:26 am to
The further any party moves from the center, the harder they lose.

Most Americans are simple. Once you start doing stuff that is extreme on both sides of the fence is when the huge shifts occur.

CRT, COVID lockdowns, etc is what is swinging the elections towards the Rs.

Don't worry though, the Rs will frick things up and swing it back the the DS in a few years.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68322 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:28 am to
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Mostly I worry none of this matters and most of the Rs end up governing as Ds anyway
Then look more closely. No crt, border crisis, "human infrastructure", loss of 2A rights, etc. with 90% of republican pols.

It's fun to scream about the uniparty, but I've noticed over the decades that my wallet tends to lighten when dems are in office.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:30 am to
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Uniparty gives everyone a periodic sense they won or lost, then it goes the other way. One side celebrates, the other feels bad then next election the tide turns again.


Yes, I am concerned...in particular as related to political submission of the parties to the oligarchs, globalist corporations and their great reset project. I wonder just how much of both the Dem and Rep parties are united and truly loyal to the globalist agenda. That concerns me.

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This is not going to be a short campaign. Think of it more like the 30 Years War. The radical left has to be broken. The oligarchs and globalists have to be broken. Jobs have to come back to America for American independence from foreign goods. The education system, the federal agencies, the military has to be purged of subversive radical left elements. The money strangle hold on our politicians has to be broken. And more.

It is not going to happen overnight. Think decade or more and it is going to be a fight.
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 8:31 am
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
3481 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:32 am to
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This is what our national politics have looked like since Reagan, and purple states seem to be following suit.



This is kind of the nature of politics, at least at a macro scale. Sure you'll have entrenched parties in areas, like Dem strongholds in cities and Rep strongholds out in the country.

As for the why? Dems have a natural advantage when it comes to messaging. Dems typically comes with a message of giving and Reps have a message of restraint. The Dem message also preys on the logical fallacy of an appeal to emotion.

So what we have is a message from Dems that goes something like this "We are going to pay teachers what they deserve and ensure a high quality education for our children." Sounds good, sounds like the right thing. But how do the Dems bring that to life? Typically through entrenching a teachers union and producing a contract for them that is punitive to the community and allows a national union run by Dem cronies to set the educational standard for your community and fill it with garbage educational programs that have little real educational value. People see this and realize they've been had and go back to the candidates (typically R's) to course correct.

Simply put, people buy the message, see what they actually get, then course correct. It's a natural cycle.

The problem lies in when the course correct is supposed to take place you have someone just as corrupt doing the fixing at the behest of another special interest. We end up like now, with nothing being fixed and the emergence of corporate interests guiding policy. The issues never get fixed, only new ones are introduced.

That was the uniqueness of Trump, love or hate him, he was the only politician of our time that wasn't owned by anyone.
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 8:37 am
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12515 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:39 am to
It could be but it makes Biden look bad. Our own local elections are more important then out of state elections.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9490 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:49 am to
NOVA is chock a block full of government workers whose jobs are in DC bureaucracies

Take the Libertarian candidate for governor.

Nationalize vacant housing and give to the poor. Everyone lets get tranny. There is more. You ought to read her FAR LEFTIST stance on the issues. Ayn Rand was correct about Libertarians

Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422689 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:52 am to
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The further any party moves from the center, the harder they lose.

Most Americans are simple. Once you start doing stuff that is extreme on both sides of the fence is when the huge shifts occur.

Exactly.

The US is a center-right country who wants centrism on the whole. There are urban pockets of legit Leftism and wide swaths of unpopulated geography with miniature pockets of right wing ideology. By and large, the country wants centrist policies, which is why you see these flips.

However, as the US keeps advancing, we will see left-creep and eventually will become center-left. That's just the price you pay for advancing a society (and providing a more educated population while attracting the best, most educated immigrants from around the world).

Trump was dead-center in most respects. He was very similar to Bill Clinton (who was once seen as a "Marxist threat" by the right wing extremists but who was really a very centrist politician). So in about 30 years, that's how far left we moved, where Bill Clinton incarnate was the GOP savior against "globalism".
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30746 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 8:56 am to
Great post!!!

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That was the uniqueness of Trump, love or hate him, he was the only politician of our time that wasn't owned by anyone.


This cannot be stated enough. It is also why this rush to DeSantis is premature.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9490 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 9:06 am to
The MILF vote does
Posted by Paul Redeker
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/3/21 at 9:42 am to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57296 posts
Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:03 am to
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Does anyone worry we're just flipping back and forth between D and R
There are two issues here.

1/ Neither party wants to address the real and root cause problems, because, the voters don't want them addressed. Debt and overspending is a known problem, but voters have NO appetite for cutting the most expensive benefits (SS, MEDI).

We are experiencing serious cultural rot. Personal responsibility is completely out of style. People want to dump their responsibilities on government and want government to solve their problems. Unfortunately, government is terrible at "enforcing" culture.

2/ Most people have yet to learn we aren't in a right-left battle. We're in a battle of government vs. citizens. Most still believe the government is benevolent and it has pure intentions.

Until people want to tackle their own problems instead of having "someone else" take care of them, and see that government doesn't operate with their personal best interest in mind... it's going to be a flailing course constant flip-flopping.

"Maybe this will work?" will be our future until we have a solid culture again.
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