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Do you think our president should bow to kings?

Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:06 am
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:06 am
Or in anyway subjugate himself to any other world leader?

Obama and other past presidents have bowed to kings and queens. I don't thing the U.S. President should bow to anyone.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:08 am to
Presidents should always show respect and humility.

But never submission.
Posted by DragginFly
Under the Mountain;By the Lake
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:09 am to
Not even to Zod.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
48939 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:09 am to
It's respect. Yes.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:09 am to
You weren't around for those threads where Obama was excoriated for this.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:10 am to
If as part of a state visit in their country and it is their custom I don't have a huge problem with it being done once as a show of respect for their traditions. Now if that same leader comes here? Hell no they should conform to our traditions.
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:10 am to
No we wuz kangs!
Posted by TigerPride10
Member since Jul 2007
10356 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:11 am to
quote:


Or in anyway subjugate himself to any other world leader


Bowing in Asian cultures isn't a sign of subjugation. It's a sign of mutual respect. We aren't talking about kowtowing here.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
15309 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:12 am to
Only if the King bows back.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26764 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:12 am to
quote:

It's respect. Yes.


No, it's not.

Bowing means one person is superior to the other. These kings would never bow to another world leader.

We don't require bowing to our president because he is just a man like everyone else, not a deity like some of these countries think.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26764 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:13 am to
If both bow to each other, I'm cool with it.
Posted by TigerPride10
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:13 am to
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:14 am to
No one should ever bow in deference to another individual. Ever.

In the most basic of ways title and position doesn't somehow make one more significant than another.

We no longer believe these leaders are in place due to divine will.
Posted by TigerPride10
Member since Jul 2007
10356 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:15 am to
quote:

We don't require bowing to our president because he is just a man like everyone else, not a deity like some of these countries think


No, we don't "require" bowing because it isn't part of our culture. If you travel to Japan or Korea and see people bowing to you, it doesn't mean they are subjugating themselves to you're super huge white penis.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26764 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:16 am to
I'm mainly talking about world leaders.

I personally would have no problem bowing if that was the culture.
Posted by TigerPride10
Member since Jul 2007
10356 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:19 am to
quote:

'm mainly talking about world leaders.

I personally would have no problem bowing if that was the culture


So should other world leaders refuse to shake Obama's or Trump's hands and look them in the eye while they do so, since that's a sign of mutual respect among men in our culture and could be construed as "subjugation" by internet trolls in their home country?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26764 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:22 am to
I have no problem with mutual respect. Does the Saudi king bow back?
Posted by King Teal
The Last Banana Republic
Member since Sep 2016
988 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:24 am to
It's the equivalent to a handshake.

Only small-dicks think this is some sort of submission
Posted by DownSouthJukin
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Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:29 am to
There's protocol and decorum. And then there's overdoing it. I believe that BHO overdid it in Japan several years ago when he bowed to nearly a 90 degree angle and shook the hand of the prime minister. That drew an uproar.

A simple, curt bow in certain cultures (generally eastern Asian) is appropriate as a greeting and does not exhibit subjugation. Nearly licking someone's shoes does. Bowing should not be offered as a greeting in cultures where hand-shaking is widely accepted as a form of formal greeting, or when a hand is first offered to the President for shaking. And I don't believe that you're supposed to bow and shake hands; it's one or the other.

ETA: I do not believe that the President should ever bow to a Western or Middle Eastern leader. In the West, handshaking is the common form of formal greeting. In the Middle East, bows may be taken as subjugation.
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 10:57 am
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:30 am to
Yeah, but like Bruce Lee would do it.

Ever so slight lowering of the head and torso with eyes firmly affixed on the person in front of you.

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