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Do you believe in Elite Theory?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:59 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 7:59 am
Basically the idea that all governments and societies are ultimately controlled by a small minority... and true populism or a democracy is not realistic, at least not in the ways we learned about in school, and they can't ever be realistic because of how humans are wired to function within groups and communities. There will of course, be a bunch of propoganda about being a "democracy" (whatever that even means), and having "freedom", free and fair elections, and equal/blind justice under the law, etc. But is mostly just nonsensical jargon that doesn't really mean anything.
So we can have two different kinds of ruling classes. We can have the benevolent elites, and the we can have the malevolent elites. But there is no way to escape being under their control.
But, what people can do, is demand a better elite class. It is still in the best interests of the ruling class to keep the masses happy. A moral and Christian dominated population will demand a moral Christian elite class, and vice versa, a wicked and nihilistic population will demand the same of their rulers. But in the end, people will demand to be ruled one way or the other.
So we can have two different kinds of ruling classes. We can have the benevolent elites, and the we can have the malevolent elites. But there is no way to escape being under their control.
But, what people can do, is demand a better elite class. It is still in the best interests of the ruling class to keep the masses happy. A moral and Christian dominated population will demand a moral Christian elite class, and vice versa, a wicked and nihilistic population will demand the same of their rulers. But in the end, people will demand to be ruled one way or the other.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 8:00 am
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:00 am to burger bearcat
Its been this way since the beginning of time
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:02 am to burger bearcat
Yes
Pickup any history book
Pick a page
It’s there
Pickup any history book
Pick a page
It’s there
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:02 am to burger bearcat
First time among the humans?
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:02 am to burger bearcat
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me one bit. It's one of the few reasons to explain why our politicians are trying to screw us.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:03 am to burger bearcat
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Do you believe in Elite Theory?
No.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:03 am to SDVTiger
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Its been this way since the beginning of time
Agreed. There were some unique ideas that came out of the enlightenment and classical liberal age in the 17th and 18th centuries, but these ideas were always going to be a bit utopian, and were really only practical on a small scale within certain groups of people, cultures, religions.
Great thinkers of thar age like John Locke and Tocqueville never imagined these ideas being replicated on this scale.
It is kind of silly to try and apply these same concepts in the modern world in a country with 400 million people made up of every ethnicity, culture, religion, etc possible.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 8:06 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:04 am to USAFTiger42
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our politicians are trying to screw us.
They are all being obedient, hoping the video of them screwing children isn’t released by their master.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:06 am to USAFTiger42
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It's one of the few reasons to explain why our politicians are trying to screw us.
A much simpler answer is voter preference
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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No
So you believe people actually are in control of their government and institutions? This actually seems pretty far fetched when you think about it and all the implications
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:07 am to burger bearcat
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Agreed. There were some unique ideas that came out of the enlightenment and classical liberal age in the 17th and 18th centuries, but these ideas were always going to be a bit utopian, and were really only practical on a small scale within certain groups of people, cultures, religions.
I'd say that our SOL and development (basically due to this ideology being spread and adopted around the world) says it is not meant for small scales or "certain groups" (see: Asian adoption of Western principles).
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:08 am to burger bearcat
If you're talking about a persons or peoples disposition (how they're wired), it could be stated that people are dispositioned or conditioned or bred to be ruled.
Oh and elite theory isn't theory. It is real. I was gonna say "real as rain", but sometimes rain isn't real. So there's that.
Oh and elite theory isn't theory. It is real. I was gonna say "real as rain", but sometimes rain isn't real. So there's that.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:09 am to burger bearcat
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So you believe people actually are in control of their government and institutions?
Control is a bad word, especially in republican forms of government.
Do they directly participate? Yes.
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This actually seems pretty far fetched when you think about it and all the implications
Based on what?
You can argue that there is a perceived "elite class" in society, but that's stuff like academics, celebrities, etc., not a controlling ruling class above governments.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:13 am to burger bearcat
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Basically the idea that all governments and societies are ultimately controlled by a small minority
"Controlled" makes it sound too digital and absolute. I think it's more accurate to say that the extremely wealthy have historically had much more influence over government than the other 95% (or whatever percentage you want to use).
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:16 am to Flats
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I think it's more accurate to say that the extremely wealthy have historically had much more influence over government than the other 95%
This is much more palatable of a theory.
If you want the ultimate "gotcha" to this "Elite Theory" it can be summarized i one word: Jews.
Which is ironic considering so many versions of the "Elite Theory" revolves around Jews being that group.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:17 am to burger bearcat
As the great american philosopher George Carlin said: "It's a small club,and you aren't in it."
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:18 am to Flats
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"Controlled" makes it sound too digital and absolute
Yes and no. They aren't literally sitting behind a control booth pushing buttons all day in that way.
But because of their influence, they basically can control things.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:18 am to burger bearcat
There’s most always been an old-money, Northeast, Ivy League, connected upper class that has more or less ruled over this country.
Although most of them always had a “trans-Atlantic” view of things overall, they largely used to want the same things for this country that most regular people did, and they valued being an American. I think they were proud of this country and wanted it to succeed.
I think their personal values have diverged from the rest of the country where they see themselves as “global citizens” first more so than American citizens and, as always, most of them feel they are part of the ordained, enlightened class meant to lead the people because “they know better”.
They are all caught up in the crazy, socialistic, globalist, green planet, social engineering bullshite that most of the rest of us shake our heads at.
They’d just be a silly group of elites with too much time on their hands and whacked delusional fantasies if they were not so wealthy, powerful and interconnected.
Because they are, they are damned dangerous to the rest of us and our way of life.
Although most of them always had a “trans-Atlantic” view of things overall, they largely used to want the same things for this country that most regular people did, and they valued being an American. I think they were proud of this country and wanted it to succeed.
I think their personal values have diverged from the rest of the country where they see themselves as “global citizens” first more so than American citizens and, as always, most of them feel they are part of the ordained, enlightened class meant to lead the people because “they know better”.
They are all caught up in the crazy, socialistic, globalist, green planet, social engineering bullshite that most of the rest of us shake our heads at.
They’d just be a silly group of elites with too much time on their hands and whacked delusional fantasies if they were not so wealthy, powerful and interconnected.
Because they are, they are damned dangerous to the rest of us and our way of life.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:19 am to burger bearcat
“Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority; still more when you superadd the tendency of the certainty of corruption by authority.” Lord Acton.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
quote:We now have confirmation that Elite Theory is legitimate.
Do you believe in Elite Theory?
No.
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