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Dershowitz: No obstruction when POTUS exercises constitutional authority
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:31 am to berrycajun
Yeah, but who said anything about Democrats/Progressives being constrained by the US Constitution?
Who needs a pesky Constitution when you have Muh Russians and Muh Impeachment?
Who needs a pesky Constitution when you have Muh Russians and Muh Impeachment?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:33 am to berrycajun
He was pretty clear on CNN last night. Gave the example of Elder Bush pardoning Caspar Weinberger the night before a congressional hearing and yet Cooper wouldn't hear what he was saying.
He kept saying Trump subtly tried to get Comey to drop the investigation.
Alan flat out said the president doesn't need to be subtle. He can shut it down by looking at Comey and saying. Stop the investigation. He can also pardon Flynn to shut it down.
Cooper looked at him perplexed.
He kept saying Trump subtly tried to get Comey to drop the investigation.
Alan flat out said the president doesn't need to be subtle. He can shut it down by looking at Comey and saying. Stop the investigation. He can also pardon Flynn to shut it down.
Cooper looked at him perplexed.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:34 am to TigerMyth36
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Cooper looked at him perplexed.
In a sexual way?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:56 am to berrycajun
Authority doesn't make it right
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:59 am to bmy
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Authority doesn't make it right
Very true
But it does make it legal, which means as I said on this board over a moth ago, obstruction of justice charges do not apply to the POTUS,
The President could literally walk into a federal court room and tell a judge "I know the defendent committed the crime, here's a video of the crime being committed and I pardon him for committing this crime" and that's it , case over. there is no obstruction.
Likewise, he could classify that tape of the crime being committed effectively hiding it from federal investigators and still that isn't obstruction.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:00 pm to berrycajun
Dershowitz is full of sh1t. In his mind, if a president has the authority to do something, then he cannot be impeached for it.
That is an oxymoron.
This has been posted here and elsewhere several times: High crimes and misdemeanors is whatever the House determines it to be.
I'm not quoting the following to suggest that these are impeachable offenses or not, but just as a counter to Dershowitz' absolutist position.
Source: Wikipedia - Topic: "High Crimes and Misdemenors": citing - Lindorff, Dave; Olshansky, Barbara (2006). The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office. New York, NY: St. Martin's Press. p. 38. ISBN 978-0-312-36016-0. Retrieved 30 January 2017.
That is an oxymoron.
This has been posted here and elsewhere several times: High crimes and misdemeanors is whatever the House determines it to be.
I'm not quoting the following to suggest that these are impeachable offenses or not, but just as a counter to Dershowitz' absolutist position.
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Since 1386, the English parliament had used the term “high crimes and misdemeanors” to describe one of the grounds to impeach officials of the crown. Officials accused of “high crimes and misdemeanors” were accused of offenses as varied as misappropriating government funds, appointing unfit subordinates, not prosecuting cases, not spending money allocated by Parliament, promoting themselves ahead of more deserving candidates, threatening a grand jury, disobeying an order from Parliament, arresting a man to keep him from running for Parliament, losing a ship by neglecting to moor it, helping “suppress petitions to the King to call a Parliament,” granting warrants without cause, and bribery.
Source: Wikipedia - Topic: "High Crimes and Misdemenors": citing - Lindorff, Dave; Olshansky, Barbara (2006). The Case for Impeachment: The Legal Argument for Removing President George W. Bush from Office. New York, NY: St. Martin's Press. p. 38. ISBN 978-0-312-36016-0. Retrieved 30 January 2017.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:01 pm to Homesick Tiger
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Cooper looked at him perplexed.
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In a sexual way?
Nope.
Cooper prefers his dongs uncut!
Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:02 pm to Bullethead88
Dersh will be ride or die for Trump as long as there's a chance he'll bomb Iran
Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:03 pm to Bullethead88
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Dershowitz is full of sh1t. In his mind, if a president has the authority to do something, then he cannot be impeached for it.
No you're just a semi literate fricking moron.
Dershowitz said the truth of the matter, same as I have said on here a million times, Congress can call just about anything they want a "high crime" and impeach the POTUS, that is completely fricking different than a criminal charge
When people say "obstruction of justice" they are accusing the President of doing something that the criminal justice department should investigate, not an impeachment proceeding.
And that is EXACTLY what the Professor said last night, you're just too stupid to understand it.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:41 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Winner winner chicken dinner. And they won't impeach unless it is criminal. If they even attempt just because they don't like what the president did, that opens a horrific Pandora's box.
Although I still think there are plenty of Republicans who would love Pence to take over. Trump does need to play it smarter or they will take him out.
Although I still think there are plenty of Republicans who would love Pence to take over. Trump does need to play it smarter or they will take him out.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:46 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Congress can call just about anything they want a "high crime" and impeach the POTUS. And that is EXACTLY what the Professor said last night, you're just too stupid to understand it.
You know what? You're an imbecile.
I didn't say anything about a criminal charge. And I said : High crimes and misdemeanors is whatever the House determines it to be."
You just got some "neat-o point" you want to make every time you get the chance, because you think it makes you look good.
Did you even read my post or did just jump on it because it was sort of on the same topic as your "neat-o point".
Calling me a moron doesn't make you appear any smarter. And, in this case, because you are wrong, it makes you look like a dunce.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:48 pm to bmy
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Authority doesn't make it right
We don't fund the fact that you're a homo "right", but unfortunately it is legal.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:01 pm to berrycajun
It's like saying that you can't commit perjury because you have the right to freedom of speech.
The means can't justify the ends. Doesn't work like that.
Also weren't most of you calling him a pedo this time last year or was that someone else?
The means can't justify the ends. Doesn't work like that.
Also weren't most of you calling him a pedo this time last year or was that someone else?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:07 pm to Bullethead88
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You know what? You're an imbecile.
I'm an imbecile ? you're the idiot who thinks the President can't be impeached for doing something that was within his lawful authority.
Andrew Johnson was impeached in exactly that manner you moron. Congress can impeach the POTUS for any reason they so choose. There is ZERO authority that can stop them. The House could literally say "this guy tweets too much and is undermining his own government" vote to impeach him and send it to the Senate who could find him guilty and boom hes out of office. Now is that likely? No of course not, but it proves the fricking point, you are wrong when you say if it was legal for the President to do something he couldn't be impeached for it.
You should be embarrassed for yourself sir. I'm quite embarrassed for you.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:24 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Very true But it does make it legal, which means as I said on this board over a moth ago, obstruction of justice charges do not apply to the POTUS, The President could literally walk into a federal court room and tell a judge "I know the defendent committed the crime, here's a video of the crime being committed and I pardon him for committing this crime" and that's it , case over. there is no obstruction. Likewise, he could classify that tape of the crime being committed effectively hiding it from federal investigators and still that isn't obstruction.
You and I don't agree on a lot, but in this post you are 100% correct.
The President of the United States has ultimate authority to classify or declassify any item.
He also has can issue unconditional pardons with or without proof of crimes committed and before or after a person has actually been convicted of a crime.
Their are only 2 remedies against a president who abuses those powers.
Vote of the People at Election time and...
Impeachment by the House plus successful removal from office by the Senate.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:38 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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I'm an imbecile ? you're the idiot who thinks the President can't be impeached for doing something that was within his lawful authority.
It's is absolutely amazing how many assholes on here, when they get called on something and proven wrong, instead of just walking away, they just distort what the other person said and just keep on arguing. That is what you just did.
It is completely dishonest, but it appears honestly is not a requirement for posting (certainly that is the case with you).
You say that "you're (meaning me) the idiot who thinks the President can't be impeached for doing something that was within his lawful authority."
What I said was
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Dershowitz is full of sh1t. In his mind, if a president has the authority to do something, then he cannot be impeached for it.
You just said that I said the exact opposite.
You are an inveterate, barefaced, liar.
(The only question is, are you going to give it up, or make up another lie? What's it going to be?)
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:44 pm to berrycajun
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Dershowitz: No obstruction when POTUS exercises constitutional authority
Throw all principle out the window. Trump can do no wrong because he's president and presidents can do anything.
It's never been more true:
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:06 pm to Mephistopheles
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It's like saying that you can't commit perjury because you have the right to freedom of speech.
That was a really good analogy.
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