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Dems will do anything to beat Trump, except let go of the culture war
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:32 am
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In retrospect, Jon Ossoff’s loss in Georgia’s 6th Congressional District was overdetermined. He didn’t live in the district. He had no record of public service. Youthful to a fault, he looked like he should have been running for class president.
Yet it didn’t help that he was an orthodox liberal who conceded nothing on cultural issues, even though he was running in a Republican district in the South.
In this, Ossoff merely reflected his party’s attitude. Stopping Trump is imperative, so long as it doesn’t require the party rethinking its uncompromising stance on abortion, guns or immigration. Every old rule should be thrown out in the cause of the resistance — except the tried-and-true orthodoxies on social issues.
The Georgia election showed the limits of the resistance, a partisan phenomenon with no crossover appeal. The idea that a significant portion of the GOP is watching CNN’s hour-by-hour coverage of the so-called Russia scandal and eagerly awaiting the opportunity to send a message to Trump about how Michael Flynn should’ve been more careful about disclosing his lobbying work is otherworldly.
What’s more, to the extent that the resistance is about literally ousting Trump from office, it courts a backlash to the backlash. This is what happened in Georgia — Democrats turned out in an anti-Trump backlash, while Republicans turned out in an anti-anti-Trump backlash.
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This is why Ossoff was right to try to downplay his opposition to Trump and try to sound like a pragmatist on fiscal issues. It just wasn’t very credible. Tens of millions of progressive dollars didn’t flood into the district to elect a polite young fiscal conservative with no strong feelings about Trump. Ossoff was easily attacked as a callow creation of the resistance and a would-be foot soldier for Nancy Pelosi.
She is a national target like Newt Gingrich was in the late 1990s. The upside of having her as the speaker-in-waiting is not obvious, but certainly serves the GOP’s interests.
Plus, Ossoff didn’t immunize himself at all. He was down-the-line pro-choice on abortion. He didn’t dissent from typical liberal views on gun control. He parroted the usual lines about “comprehensive immigration reform.”
Departures on these issues are important. They’re genuine statements of independence from the national party. They signal a sympathy with the concerns of culturally conservative voters who might not support Republican economics. They take the edge off the perception of the Democrats as a high-handed coastal party.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:33 am to cokebottleag
Culture war = democrat kryptonite.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:34 am to cokebottleag
If Dems want to recapture seats, they need to start running centrist candidates who don't talk about gun control and other assorted social issues. But they can't do that, because it enrages their hard left base. It's a Catch-22.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:35 am to cokebottleag
That's a damn good summary of Ossoff.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:57 am to cokebottleag
While true, it underscores what everyone says when they lose an election: they just need to give up their values.
I disagree wholeheartedly with Ossoff and his "values", but the same thing has been said to Republicans for a few election cycles: you have to give in on social issues if you want to be relevant again.
Trump ever catered to homosexuals but the gays by and large still don't like him. No one voted for Trump because he was pro-gay (he may have even lost some votes in the evangelical circles) because it goes beyond that.
I disagree wholeheartedly with Ossoff and his "values", but the same thing has been said to Republicans for a few election cycles: you have to give in on social issues if you want to be relevant again.
Trump ever catered to homosexuals but the gays by and large still don't like him. No one voted for Trump because he was pro-gay (he may have even lost some votes in the evangelical circles) because it goes beyond that.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:02 am to Damone
You can't always get what you want (downbeat)
Trump is kind and all-knowing. Even his victory song is an appeal to the leftists and Ethiopian-adopting #NeverTrump cucks... he's not what they want... but he's what we all need.
Trump is kind and all-knowing. Even his victory song is an appeal to the leftists and Ethiopian-adopting #NeverTrump cucks... he's not what they want... but he's what we all need.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 10:03 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:05 am to FooManChoo
quote:plenty of gays votes fr Trump. I saw the wearing their gay Trump hat's at the inauguration
Trump ever catered to homosexuals but the gays by and large still don't like him. No one voted for Trump because he was pro-gay (he may have even lost some votes in the evangelical circles) because it goes beyond that.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:09 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
According to the NYT exit poll report, Trump got 14% of that vote, so obviously some voted for him and supported for him (Milo is a flaming Trump supporter), but also according to that exit poll, 10% fewer homosexuals and bisexuals voted for him than in the 2012 election.
Sauce
Sauce
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:20 am to Damone
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If Dems want to recapture seats, they need to start running centrist candidates who don't talk about gun control and other assorted social issues. But they can't do that, because it enrages their hard left base. It's a Catch-22.
There was an article on Politico about a Democrat Congresswoman from a district that Trump won by 20 points that had easily won re-election.
What mystic powers did this woman have to win in one of the rural/light industry districts that the Democrats have been getting shelled in?
She sticks to talking about jobs and the local economy. She votes against trade deals that would stick it to the people who elect her and is pro-farming.
According to the article other Democrats have told her to her face that she "is not a real Democrat". Despite having won re-elections a couple of times hardly any candidates ask her or the other surviving upper Midwest Democrats for practical advice on how to win in the area.
There is a blueprint for Democrats on how to win in Midwest and Southern districts and it isn't particularly complex. Spend less time talking about who should pee where and more time talking about jobs.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:29 am to cokebottleag
Not sure why they won't lie about how they stand on that like they do regarding everything else
Anything pj boy said that strayed from being in lockstep with pelvis was a lie
Anything pj boy said that strayed from being in lockstep with pelvis was a lie
Posted on 6/23/17 at 10:33 am to FooManChoo
The Dems are getting their asses kicked left and right because they don't have any values.
They have identity politics and that's it.
They have identity politics and that's it.
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