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Dems may well rue the day they stopped the ACHA
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:28 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:28 am
Yesterday was a lose-lose for DC politicians. The GOP lost because its leadership was shown to be feckless. Failure to reel in Mark Meadows and other short-slght nitwits of the Freedom Caucus is simply inexcusable.
However in the end, Dems will prove to be the real losers here. Obamacare is a mess. It was designed to fail. Its failure was to serve as a bridge to Government Mandate Socialized Medicine.
Well, fail it will. Trump will see to it that. But now when it does, the response will be to simply repeal it.
Here is lay-of-the-land as I see it. As Obamacare spirals downward, policy costs will continue to escalate, carrier choices will continue to diminish. Dems will scream for more funding. They won't get it. They will scream the GOP is undercutting obamacare. They will be right. But it is their baby. They own it.
Final full-out failure will come as numbers of counties/regions find themselves with no carrier choice at all. The public will demand a fix.
Trump and GOPers will point out that attempted replacement with Obamacare Lite, which preserved most of the goodies Dems claim to want, got stuffed by Dems. They will claim replacement is not an option.
They will say "We've been there, done that. We won't revisit it. Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi wouldn't support replacement, so we are left with stand-alone repeal as the only option." Trump will say "I told you so."
Obamacare will be repealed. We will simply return to preobamacare insurance legislation. Reforms to actually address healthcare costs rather than coverage costs will be made from there. That is actually the best long-term outcome the GOP could have ever hoped for.
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IMO, significant swaths of the public still view this as a game. The view is obamacare really isn't failing. Its all political. As it actually does fail, they will get slapped in the face with the cold hand of reality.
By allowing passage of a problematic obamacare lite bill, Dems could have had their cake and eaten it too. Benefits would still be there. But driven by a continual drone of Dem criticism, the public, still not fully convinced obamacare was imploding, would have blamed the GOP for every pitfall in the ACHA.
However in the end, Dems will prove to be the real losers here. Obamacare is a mess. It was designed to fail. Its failure was to serve as a bridge to Government Mandate Socialized Medicine.
Well, fail it will. Trump will see to it that. But now when it does, the response will be to simply repeal it.
Here is lay-of-the-land as I see it. As Obamacare spirals downward, policy costs will continue to escalate, carrier choices will continue to diminish. Dems will scream for more funding. They won't get it. They will scream the GOP is undercutting obamacare. They will be right. But it is their baby. They own it.
Final full-out failure will come as numbers of counties/regions find themselves with no carrier choice at all. The public will demand a fix.
Trump and GOPers will point out that attempted replacement with Obamacare Lite, which preserved most of the goodies Dems claim to want, got stuffed by Dems. They will claim replacement is not an option.
They will say "We've been there, done that. We won't revisit it. Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi wouldn't support replacement, so we are left with stand-alone repeal as the only option." Trump will say "I told you so."
Obamacare will be repealed. We will simply return to preobamacare insurance legislation. Reforms to actually address healthcare costs rather than coverage costs will be made from there. That is actually the best long-term outcome the GOP could have ever hoped for.
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IMO, significant swaths of the public still view this as a game. The view is obamacare really isn't failing. Its all political. As it actually does fail, they will get slapped in the face with the cold hand of reality.
By allowing passage of a problematic obamacare lite bill, Dems could have had their cake and eaten it too. Benefits would still be there. But driven by a continual drone of Dem criticism, the public, still not fully convinced obamacare was imploding, would have blamed the GOP for every pitfall in the ACHA.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:30 am to NC_Tigah
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Dems may well rue the day they stopped the ACHA
I didn't keep up with the back and forth closely, because I knew it was a clusterfrick and wouldn't go through.... But can you provide insight into how the Dems stopped it?
This post was edited on 3/25/17 at 7:34 am
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:31 am to NC_Tigah
They didn't need a single Democratic vote to get this bill passed. They didn't even reach out to the Democrats when trying to pass this bill. Nice try. This abysmal failure is on the GOP and the Master Negotiator.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:31 am to NC_Tigah
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Obamacare is a mess. It was designed to fail
It's obvious you watch a lot of Fox News. It's obvious you hate Obama.
Guess what, the ACA is just fine. It will outlast Trump, you can bet your life on that.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:32 am to NC_Tigah
Don't give me this bullshite about the Dems stopping it- Republicans couldn't even agree on a bill to put forth for a vote, which would have needed zero Dems to pass anyhow.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:33 am to Lsut81
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can you provide insight into how the Dems stopped it?
Via 100% bloc opposition to anything with the word "repeal" attached.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:34 am to NC_Tigah
Obamacare is not spiraling down.
That's another lie.
Obamacare is quite popular and growing.
That's not a lie.
Stop believing the cheeto and grow up.
The gop have the house and the Senate and the presidency and had seven years and said this was the biggest problem in the country and they shite the bed.
That's another lie.
Obamacare is quite popular and growing.
That's not a lie.
Stop believing the cheeto and grow up.
The gop have the house and the Senate and the presidency and had seven years and said this was the biggest problem in the country and they shite the bed.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:34 am to Toddy
How many republicans voted for Obamacare? By your logic they own it completely, right?
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:34 am to NC_Tigah
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However in the end, Dems will prove to be the real losers here.
14-D Battleship!
Huge loss for the Dems that Republicans are too fricking inept to pass something they've claimed they had ready for 7 years. Riiiiiight.
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Obamacare will be repealed.
Not by Republicans (they just failed bigly), and certainly not by Democrats. You expecting a wave of Libertarians in 2018?
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significant swaths of the public still view this as a game.
People's health and lives are not a game. That's why it's great that the ACA was passed - it's saving lives, and in no danger of collapse. Thanks, Obama!
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:34 am to Greatest Success
quote:Time will tell.
Guess what, the ACA is just fine.
Tick-tock-tick-tock
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:35 am to Greatest Success
I think NC is in a pretty good position to see how well it is working.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:35 am to NC_Tigah
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Via 100% bloc opposition to anything with the word "repeal" attached.
That didn't stop the Dems from putting it into place in 2009...
If the Repubs were truly aligned, they could have rammed it through via reconciliation, just like the Dems. Just admit it, the Repubs are frickups.
Terrible legislation to fix the terrible law
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:35 am to NC_Tigah
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Via 100% bloc opposition to anything with the word "repeal" attached.
The Democrats have the same capacity to block Trumpcare as the Swedish Communist Party, your grandmother, and the Boston Celtics.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:37 am to BamaAtl
ACA isn't healthcare. It's health insurance. And fewer people than ever are actually receiving insurance benefits. Deductibles are too high. This is. Itching but a game to you. A play on the emotions of ignorant people. You should be ashamed. It won't be here in two years, thankfully.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:38 am to BamaAtl
quote:Oh, you and I agree 100% on that. GOP performance here was pathetic.
Republicans are too fricking inept to pass something they've claimed they had ready for 7 years.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:39 am to Lsut81
quote:Not sure if you are serious.
That didn't stop the Dems from putting it into place in 2009...
You mean with a filibuster-proof Senate?
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:40 am to NC_Tigah
Premiums aren't rising as fast now according to some hack that never mentions deductible increases that lead to lower premiums.
The dishonesty is astounding.
Those not receiving subsidies are getting squeezed the hardest. Dems don't really care about those funding the subsidies are having a hard time paying their premiums. What happens when they can't pay for their neighbors plan any longer? Who pays for theirs?
The dishonesty is astounding.
Those not receiving subsidies are getting squeezed the hardest. Dems don't really care about those funding the subsidies are having a hard time paying their premiums. What happens when they can't pay for their neighbors plan any longer? Who pays for theirs?
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:40 am to NC_Tigah
Look, the only way to keep Healthcare inexpensive is to force young, healthy people that don't need it into the risk pools. That is why the Mandate is crucial. The Republicans will never agree on the Mandate. The Republicans will never solve the healthcare crisis.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:41 am to BBONDS25
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How many republicans voted for Obamacare? By your logic they own it completely, right?
Sure. Just like the Republicans own the fact the fact they have bitched about this for six years and now that have both houses can't replace it with something better as they promised this country they would do.
Posted on 3/25/17 at 7:41 am to Greatest Success
What health care crisis? All those bodies piling up on the street prior to the ACA?
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