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CPAC crazy talk : alt-right is not right like us, they're actually leftists

Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:41 pm
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alt-right is not right like us, they're actually leftists


"denounces-alt-right-as-left-wing-fascist-group"
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted by GFaceKillah
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:42 pm to
Trigger warning!
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:43 pm to
CPAC is the baby. Alt right is the bathwater.

Posted by Iosh
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:43 pm to
Leftism is bad, therefore bad things are leftist. It's basic logic!
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:43 pm to
CPAC isn't right either. Those are all Establishment Cucks.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260562 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:45 pm to
Alt right is a make believe division that makes it easy for someone who needs a convenient devil to blame evil upon.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
32540 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:46 pm to
That sounds like George Will talk to me, and as Dobbs pointed out on O'Reilly last night, George Will is spouting the same talking points as Head Clown Chuck Schumer these days.
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
5840 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:48 pm to
They got Trump elected. Kellyanne Conway is the reason he got elected.

Bannon maybe on the Trump train, but without Kellyanne HRC is president.
Posted by DonChowder
Sonoma County
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:49 pm to
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Alt right is a make believe division that makes it easy for someone who needs a convenient devil to blame evil upon.
It's a media invention.
Posted by AU_Right
Member since Oct 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:53 pm to
gay
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12936 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:54 pm to
Hmmmm. This sounds like the establishment GOP trying to undermine its biggest threat to its stranglehold on the Republican Party.


The so called alt-right is mainly just the younger generation of conservatives. Something the GOP should embrace provided no white supremacy ideology is involved.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:55 pm to
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It's a media invention


Y'all don't really believe that, right?

That the alt right isn't really a thing?
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79212 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:11 pm to
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Alt right is a make believe division that makes it easy for someone who needs a convenient devil to blame evil upon.



To me it's more like:

RINO or Trumpsessed - John McCain, Rick Wilson. People who are either moderate Democrats or they're so fricked up about Trump they can't see straight.

Establishment - Normal, ranging from entrenched people who don't want to rock the boat to people who actually try but value the traditional GOP (Paul Ryan)

Average Trump Supporter - Can be mixed with establishment, want to try something new, voted for Trump because of lack of better options or modest interest in his persona/ideas

Ardent Trump Supporter - Most of this board, reluctant to criticize Trump, bought into cult of personality but otherwise inoffensive

"Alt-Right" - Rants about white genocide, may not be full blown white supremacist, but a lot of racial anger. Usually these types have their hand out in a populist, "give me the money, not those dirty immigrants!" way.

Trolling Alt Right - Nihilist nerds without much ideological concern at all, they found a home in the Trump campaign and an enemy in MSM and the hard left.
Posted by LSUcjb318
Member since Jul 2008
2364 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:21 pm to
The alt-right is like the racist uncle of the GOP. You tell people in public that he's just crazy but secretively you admire him.

I'm not saying all Rep are racist but all the racist people in my family are Republicans.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111524 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:33 pm to
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CPAC isn't right either. Those are all Establishment Cucks.


Lolz
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111524 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:34 pm to
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I'm not saying all Rep are racist but all the racist people in my family are Republicans.


No one is surprised your lineage is trash.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:36 pm to
I don't know what they are, but this is the problem with reducing complex ideologies into a single, linear continuum AND then further reducing it into the binary "left vs. right."

This was no more obvious than when this board a number of discussions regarding the categorization of fascism as "right wing." Fascism does typically value many right wing principles (Nationalism, maintaining social structures and hierarchies, private property, anti-communism, etc.), BUT it also seems absurd to place communism and fascism at complete opposite sides of the spectrum when in practice the diffences are hardly noticeable due to the authoritarian nature.

Here was see it in the Democratic party (liberals vs. progressives vs. Socialists), and maybe even moreso in the GOP (libertarians vs. neoconservatives vs. social conservatives vs. all-right). Not only does it the complicate things within a party some ideologies have left and right wing values (libertarians).

This all highlights the fundamental problems with a two party system, expecially in the Internet age, where people can be exposed to more principles and ideologies. I think having varying ideologies is great, especially since it exposes ideas and let's people find their niche.

However, those benefits are lost when we reduce those ideologies to the two parties. I really wish we had a multi-party system. And although coalitions of a multi-party system may look similar to our current system in practice, I think it would at least allow for more diverse views ideas, allow people to feel better about their political affiliation and support (instead of lesser of two evils), incentivize politicians to find common ground, and give voters more value, especially in the partisan states.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260562 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:37 pm to
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I'm not saying all Rep are racist but all the racist people in my family are Republicans


Sounds like you have terrible genes.
Posted by Iosh
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Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

Leftism is bad, therefore bad things are leftist. It's basic logic!
I'm just gonna pretend all the upvotes are people appreciating my sarcasm.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 1:48 pm to
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The alt-right is like the racist uncle of the GOP. You tell people in public that he's just crazy but secretively you admire him.

I'm not saying all Rep are racist but all the racist people in my family are Republicans.
Assuming you live in the south, don't you think that maybe "all the racists are Republicans" is more of a function of "there are a lot more Republicans?"

If you are in the south, and you've reached that conclusion, then you've provided a great example of the "Problem of Induction."

And in developmental psychology, your logic would probably put you at the concrete operational stage, which is typically the stage children between 7 and 11 are functioning at.
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