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Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 11:58 am to
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Exactly! The black community doesn't have a cop problem, they have a CULTURAL problem that they need to work on.


Yeah, they do have a cultural problem. But Cops also have a cultural problem. One that impacts more than just black people.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:01 pm to
the charlotte observer reporters keep reporting me to twitter

I've had 1 message of unusual activity, 2 messages that i'm a bot please confirm phone and enter captcha and 1 message that i'm being abusive

i'm infiltrating black twitter so that I can troll with authority white progressives and sow the seeds of discontent between BLM and white liberals (specifically SJWs and feminists)

so the cam/jourdan thing is pretty much like hitting the lottery

don't really have woke followers yet, maybe I do and need to check, but an uptick in retweets and likes...but they don't engage with me yet so either they're suspicious I'm white or they know i'm white.

Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21873 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:03 pm to
I Honestly don't care.

Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:04 pm to
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don't really have woke followers yet, maybe I do and need to check, but an uptick in retweets and likes...but they don't engage with me yet so either they're suspicious I'm white or they know i'm white.



Time heals all suspicions

I thought it was obvious you were white until that one woke AF dude started saying even more ridiculous shite than you. then I thought, well frick, maybe that dude is a white troll too.

Is the entire BLM/WOKE movement composed of trolls trying to infiltrate a culture conceived by trolls?

THAT is woke.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 12:17 pm
Posted by CajunTiger78
Member since Aug 2017
2528 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

Yeah, they do have a cultural problem. But Cops also have a cultural problem. One that impacts more than just black people.


There are bad people everywhere. But I will counter your argument and say that the less than 1% of "bad" or "crooked" cops are far surpassed by the 99% who are trying day in and day out to do the right thing and protect and serve their community, putting their lives on the line everyday.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:14 pm to
The FBI crime statistics shatter their narrative and also the narrative of systemic racism in the judicial process

This one won't sell for them because it's a shove and run and the guy turns...even if it were the focal point of the more reasonable problem you're describing that isn't drawn along racial lines it would still be counterproductive to the narrative

Now had they used Eric garner as an example and not made it racial. That one sells better but they turn people off and make them more
Immediately sympathetic to the cops regardless of the situation

No knock warrant frickups, Eric garner and Alton sterling work a lot better because regardless of whether or not someone finds them justifiable they can still see larger issues at play that they do not like

But BLM is built on hands up don't shoot...a lie for the ages
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:14 pm to
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But I will counter your argument and say that the less than 1% of "bad" or "crooked" cops are far surpassed by the 99% who are trying day in and day out to do the right thing and protect and serve their community, putting their lives on the line everyday.



Wrong. Law enforcement cultural problems have advanced with zero pushback from the "good apples".

Law enforcement is not self regulating
Posted by Sody Cracker
Distemper Ward
Member since May 2016
3409 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

Lol sucks for you I have a half dozen kids and they are all very intelligent, reading at 3 years old, etc. One might be a literal genius.



You needed a vasectomy four kids ago. Your "literal genius" needs to stay away from you or he/she will end up a drooling dumbass.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:16 pm to
Agree with all, and frick marxist BLM. They are making it impossible to solve the actual problem. Which I suspect is a goal of theirs.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
57438 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:17 pm to
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it is tough to watch though.
not really. he had 2 aggressive advances toward the cops. They were protecting their life.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

Oh, I'll make a solution right now. The best way to reduce shootings is to reduce the number of victimless criminal laws on the books and reduce the contact between armed police and civilians.


MOST of these incidents we see in the news start out as simple traffic stops that turn bad. I know where you're heading, but legalizing marijuana (for example) would not have prevented this guy from being pulled over by the cops for riding his bicycle across 6 lanes of traffic without a night light.

Nor would they have prevented him from having a warrant out for his arrest for an aggravated assault charge.

You see what I'm saying.

Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:24 pm to
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Roughly 2M blacks arrested in this country each year. Roughly 500 shot and killed by police each year. There is your epidemic.


We get it you think that those numbers are ok, would you feel the same if it was only 500 cops that got killed?
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Agree with all, and frick marxist BLM. They are making it impossible to solve the actual problem. Which I suspect is a goal of theirs.


There IS NO PROBLEM, not one that is beyond the pale anyway.

If you look at the overall statistics you will see two things.

1. Overall blacks are law abiding people. It's a small sunset of blacks who are committing so much crime that it skews the numbers for the entire race. I suspect that if a person looked past the numbers they would see that roughly 15% or so of whites and blacks are criminals, but the 15% of blacks simply commit MORE crimes than do the 15% of whites do and so it appears that blacks are much more likely to commit crimes, but in reality it's just that the 15% of blacks are more likely to commit crimes than the 15% of whites are.

Same thing with police shootings, if you look at the numbers , it is QUITE clear that very few people who come into contact with police are shot and or killed. It happens, but certainly not at a number that anyone could say "we have a real problem here"

It's just two examples of human nature playing out.

Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:30 pm to
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There IS NO PROBLEM,


Oh there is a fricking huge problem. I've talked about them in this thread.

It's just that the problem isn't that blacks are being mowed down in some epidemic.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111515 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:31 pm to
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Law enforcement is not self regulating


Here’s a major problem.

In the recent case in St. Louis where the police officer said “I’m gonna kill this motherfricker” shortly before doing so and in which the only DNA found on the gun in the victim’s car was the cops DNA, his partner took the 5th.

Make them responsible for their department liability insurance. Give them a pot of money with which to pay salaries, benefits and liability insurance. If their liability insurance goes up, it can come out of their salary and benefits.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

Here’s a major problem.

In the recent case in St. Louis where the police officer said “I’m gonna kill this motherfricker” shortly before doing so and in which the only DNA found on the gun in the victim’s car was the cops DNA, his partner took the 5th.


Wow.


quote:

Make them responsible for their department liability insurance. Give them a pot of money with which to pay salaries, benefits and liability insurance. If their liability insurance goes up, it can come out of their salary and benefits.


Might help, hitting their wallets like that. Unfortunately, I think there will need to be examples made when these things happen. People can say "yeah shootings are rare tho" and completely gloss over how this level of criminality might be possible throughout all other police interactions as well.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:48 pm to
The presence of a drop weapon in that cops car indicates to me that this is a systemic problem.

I'm fully aware of the kind of culture it takes for a unit to begin thinking about drop weapons.
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
10297 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:51 pm to
Could give a frick what color he is the cop didn’t panicked and didn’t need to use deadly force for what I could see. His life was not endangered
Posted by BlueFalcon
Aberdeen Scotland
Member since Dec 2011
2319 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:54 pm to
Horrible to watch?
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

cop didn’t panicked and didn’t need to use deadly force for what I could see. His life was not endangered


That did not look like a panic type response to me. There is no way to say for certain though.
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