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Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:03 pm
Posted by POTUS2024
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:03 pm
Aired today on YouTube about 2hrs 10mins

These notes are only things that seem like new points not previously discussed by COL MacGregor and then talked about on this board.

- PBD says from Biden's perspective US almost has to go into Ukraine to defend the investment made thus far and MacGregor basically says that is foolish, but commented that in terms of "investment", that someone told him the other day that the three branches of government are: Raytheon, BlackRock, Big Pharma, alluding to the control these have over DC.

- One of the things people don't know about the KGB is that they were one of the very few people that were allowed to travel outside of the USSR back in that day. Putin was able to travel and knows the West pretty well. That left him with the impression he could do business with the West, which has been the baseline position he's had, while critics in Russia thought that good relations with the West would be impossible.

- MacGregor's understanding is that many senior officers in the Army (he's not sure about other branches) have made it clear that the US is not currently in a position to wage a conventional war against Russia. The message is not received by those calling the shots due to 'ideological blinders' and unmitigated hate for Russia.

- Due in part to how the Russians entered Ukraine (too soft), shot callers in the US now describe the Russians exactly how the Germans described the Soviets in WWII: saying they were / are weak, ineffective etc. Dangerous underestimation.

- They discuss the 2024 election, PBD offers a schema for now Gavin Newsome ends up in the race which dovetails into a discussion of the book 'Only the Paranoid Survive'.

Then COL MacGregor says that he's not sure we get to the 2024 election. He is worried that things in DC (and in the nation) will implode. He mentions the banks might close for a short while, that violence may get too bad around the country (as it's trending up in many areas), Ukraine situation will go south which will cause unrest here as people have been told Ukraine was going to win.

He doesn't think that Biden will make it much longer. He thinks the Democrats will find a way to shuffle him off and Gavin Newsome is the poster child for the disaster that the Dems want to heap upon America. He doesn't believe the rest of America will tolerate a guy like Gavin Newsome trying to do to America what he did to SF and CA.

He also expressed concern about the supply chains like with food and said that you get revolutionary change when people can't eat or get other basic things like gasoline. He mentions that many people think those in DC can find a way to just keep things going no matter how degraded things get, but he is suspicious that they'll be able to do so. PBD says he thinks the 'gloom and doom' prospect is maybe 5% but MacGregor says he doesn't see it as gloom and doom but as our savior.

- PBD brings up the fact that MacGregor has talked about the need for a third party and talks about RFK Jr's entry into the campaign. Asks if RFK Jr will be forced to run as Independent and whether he'll end up as Ross Perot v2. MacGregor says RFK Jr is authentic which carries weight, and wishes Trump and RFK Jr. would team up. MacGregor then says the election process itself is corrupt which is more of a problem than just the candidates. He is worried about mail in voting and is skeptical that it produces fair elections. He talks about voting integrity and the checks involved in other places and how our process doesn't pass muster with regard to fraud issues.

- MacGregor has an interesting take on the Constitution, essentially saying it is outdated but says the Bill of Rights are sacred.

- They mention the future and MacGregor says there are many people that realize things are bad and these people are ready to fight, and by fight he means campaign, vote a certain way, reject gaslighting and so forth, but goes on to say that these same people will likely decide later that if the voting and peaceful measures are not working, that looking for another way is going to creep into their minds.

- PBD asks him about DeSantis. MacGregor says he thinks DeSantis is donor-focused because he said there was no strategic interest for us in Ukraine but then two days later went back and changed his position.

- Sprinkled in the conversation is MacGregor saying things most understand already such as the southern border being a problem and needing attention, fixing spending, etc. Nothing that has not already been discussed here quite a bit.

I thought his worry about us even making it to the 2024 election was interesting and I share some concern there as well. Do not underestimate what this administration will do to stay in power, or the missteps they might take in exercising power, that could collapse the nation.

I also worry about people feeling there is no other way to fix things except by picking up a rifle, and this is why I am so adamant about the 2024 election. If we don't get this one right, I think things get very ugly for all of us.
Posted by Devon_Stack
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:04 pm to
TLDR
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:07 pm to
Ditto.

Clif notes needed for that novel.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:15 pm to
Given MacGregor's record with predictions in Ukraine since the beginning, the best chance to be accurate is to take the opposite side of any opinion he has. He is the Peej of this conflict.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53391 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:17 pm to
The O-T neocon thread will trash you for this and laugh at MacGregor for the various times he's said Russia would take Ukraine.

I do think it's worth listening to some guys making the rounds in alt media like him, Larry Johnson, and Jeffrey Sachs for a different perspective than what MSM feeds us as it's mostly CIA/Pentagon propaganda.

Sy Hersh had this today.
quote:

So, below is a look at what is really going that was provided to me by a knowledgeable source in the American intelligence community:

“I thought I might clear some of the smoke. First and most importantly, Putin is now in a much stronger position. We realized as early as January of 2023 that a showdown between the generals, backed by Putin, and Prigo, backed by anti-Russian extremists, was inevitable. The age-old conflict between the ‘special’ war fighters and a large, slow, clumsy, unimaginative regular army. The army always wins because they own the peripheral assets that make victory, either offensive or defensive, possible. Most importantly, they control logistics. special forces see themselves as the premier offensive asset. When the overall strategy is offensive, big army tolerates their hubris and public chest thumping because SF are willing to take high risk and pay a high price. Successful offense requires a large expenditure of men and equipment. Successful defense, on the other hand, requires husbanding these assets.

“Wagner members were the spearhead of the original Russian Ukraine offensive. They were the ‘little green men’. When the offensive grew into an all-out attack by the regular army, Wagner continued to assist but reluctantly had to take a back seat in the period of instability and readjustment that followed. Prigo, no shy violet, took the initiative to grow his forces and stabilize his sector.

“The regular army welcomed the help. Prigo and Wagner, as is the wont of special forces, took the limelight and took the credit for stopping the hated Ukrainians. The press gobbled it up. Meanwhile, the big army and Putin slowly changed their strategy from offensive conquest of greater Ukraine to defense of what they already had. Prigo refused to accept the change and continued on the offensive against Bakhmut. Therein lies the rub. Rather than create a public crisis and court-martial the a-hole [Prigozhin], Moscow simply withheld the resources and let Prigo use up his manpower and firepower reserves, dooming him to a stand-down. He is, after all, no matter how cunning financially, an ex-hot dog cart owner with no political or military accomplishments.

“What we never heard is three months ago Wagner was cycled out of the Bakhmut front and sent to an abandoned barracks north of Rostov-on-Don [in southern Russia] for demobilization. The heavy equipment was mostly redistributed, and the force was reduced to about 8,000, 2,000 of which left for Rostov escorted by local police.

“Putin fully backed the army who let Prigo make a fool of himself and now disappear into ignominy. All without raising a sweat militarily or causing Putin to face a political standoff with the fundamentalists, who were ardent Prigo admirers. Pretty shrewd.”

There is an enormous gap between the way the professionals in the American intelligence community assess the situation and what the White House and the supine Washington press project to the public by uncritically reproducing the statements of Blinken and his hawkish cohorts.

The current battlefield statistics that were shared with me suggest that the Biden administration’s overall foreign policy may be at risk in Ukraine. They also raise questions about the involvement of the NATO alliance, which has been providing the Ukrainian forces with training and weapons for the current lagging counter-offensive. I learned that in the first two weeks of the operation, the Ukraine military seized only 44 square miles of territory previously held by the Russian army, much of it open land. In contrast, Russia is now in control of 40,000 square miles of Ukrainian territory. I have been told that in the past ten days Ukrainian forces have not fought their way through the Russian defenses in any significant way. They have recovered only two more square miles of Russian-seized territory. At that pace, one informed official said, waggishly, it would take Zelensky’s military 117 years to rid the country. of Russian occupation.

The Washington press in recent days seems to be slowly coming to grips with the enormity of the disaster, but there is no public evidence that President Biden and his senior aides in the White House and State Department aides understand the situation.
This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 3:21 pm
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

Given MacGregor's record with predictions in Ukraine since the beginning, the best chance to be accurate is to take the opposite side of any opinion he has. He is the Peej of this conflict.
Posted by BamaCoaster
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Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:29 pm to
Thanks for posting.
PBD is an intellectual Joe Rogan. Been listening/reading him a lot.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11154 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

Ditto.

Clif notes needed for that novel.


It's a 2hr conversation. Those are the cliffs.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11154 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

Bunk Moreland

Thanks for this stuff from Sy Hersh.

quote:

First and most importantly, Putin is now in a much stronger position.

I agree. I initially thought he played the CIA here, but maybe it was less about the CIA and more about those the CIA is reporting to. I'm not sure.

quote:

There is an enormous gap between the way the professionals in the American intelligence community assess the situation and what the White House and the supine Washington press project to the public by uncritically reproducing the statements of Blinken and his hawkish cohorts.

I can believe this.

quote:

I have been told that in the past ten days Ukrainian forces have not fought their way through the Russian defenses in any significant way. They have recovered only two more square miles of Russian-seized territory. At that pace, one informed official said, waggishly, it would take Zelensky’s military 117 years to rid the country. of Russian occupation.

Russia keeps trading space for time and space for advantageous conditions to mass and concentrate artillery on advancing Ukrainian forces and Ukraine continues to take the bait, every time.

quote:

The Washington press in recent days seems to be slowly coming to grips with the enormity of the disaster, but there is no public evidence that President Biden and his senior aides in the White House and State Department aides understand the situation.

Unbelievable.



Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146831 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 3:59 pm to
Just when Sy was getting to the good part he wanted money.

LINK

Where can I read this for free? Can someone copy pasta it, por favor?

This post was edited on 6/29/23 at 4:01 pm
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34102 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

Given MacGregor's record with predictions

Col Doom & Gloom

Can you imagine this dork as a brigade commander
Posted by Pechon
unperson
Member since Oct 2011
7748 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:15 pm to
quote:

Can you imagine this dork as a brigade commander


I'll give credit where credit is due, he's been a huge thorn in the side of Big Army.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11154 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

cajunangelle


try this I think that will give you the whole piece.

This is at the link:
Part 1
PRIGOZHIN’S FOLLY
The Russian ‘revolt’ that wasn’t strengthens Putin’s hand

Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of the mercenary Wagner Group, in a video he released last weekend.
The Biden administration had a glorious few days last weekend. The ongoing disaster in Ukraine slipped from the headlines to be replaced by the “revolt,” as a New York Times headline put it, of Yevgeny Prigozhin, chief of the mercenary Wagner Group. 
The focus slipped from Ukraine’s failing counter-offensive to Prigozhin’s threat to Putin’s control. As one headline in the Times put it, “Revolt Raises Searing Question: Could Putin Lose Power?” Washington Post columnist David Ignatius posed this assessment: “Putin looked into the abyss Saturday—and blinked.”
Secretary of State Antony Blinken—the administration’s go-to wartime flack, who weeks ago spoke proudly of his commitment not to seek a ceasefire in Ukraine—appeared on CBS’s Face the Nation with his own version of reality: “Sixteen months ago, Russian forces were . . . thinking they would erase Ukraine from the map as an independent country,” Blinken said. “Now, over the weekend they’ve had to defend Moscow, Russia’s capital, against mercenaries of Putin’s own making. . . . It was a direct challenge to Putin’s authority. . . . It shows real cracks.” 




Blinken, unchallenged by his interviewer, Margaret Brennan, as he knew he would not be—why else would he appear on the show?—went on to suggest that the defection of the crazed Wagner leader would be a boon for Ukraine’s forces, whose slaughter by Russian troops was ongoing as he spoke. “To the extent that it presents a real distraction for Putin, and for Russian authorities, that they have to look at—sort of mind their rear as they’re trying to deal with the counter offensive in Ukraine, I think that creates even greater openings for the Ukrainians to do well on the ground.” 
At this point was Blinken speaking for Joe Biden? Are we to understand that this is what the man in charge believes?
We now know that the chronically unstable Prigozhin’s revolt fizzled out within a day, as he fled to Belarus, with a no-prosecution guarantee, and his mercenary army was mingled into the Russian army. There was no march on Moscow, nor was there a significant threat to Putin’s rule.
Pity the Washington columnists and national security correspondents who seem to rely heavily on official backgrounders with White House and State Department officials. Given the published results of such briefings, those officials seem unable to look at the reality of the past few weeks, or the total disaster that has befallen the Ukraine military’s counter-offensive.
So, below is a look at what is really going that was provided to me by a knowledgeable source in the American intelligence community:
“I thought I might clear some of the smoke. First and most importantly, Putin is now in a much stronger position. We realized as early as January of 2023 that a showdown between the generals, backed by Putin, and Prigo, backed by ultra-nationalist extremists, was inevitable. The age-old conflict between the ‘special’ war fighters and a large, slow, clumsy, unimaginative regular army. The army always wins because they own the peripheral assets that make victory, either offensive or defensive, possible. Most importantly, they control logistics. special forces see themselves as the premier offensive asset. When the overall strategy is offensive, big army tolerates their hubris and public chest thumping because SF are willing to take high risk and pay a high price. Successful offense requires a large expenditure of men and equipment. Successful defense, on the other hand, requires husbanding these assets.
“Wagner members were the spearhead of the original Russian Ukraine offensive. They were the ‘little green men’. When the offensive grew into an all-out attack by the regular army, Wagner continued to assist but reluctantly had to take a back seat in the period of instability and readjustment that followed. Prigo, no shy violet, took the initiative to grow his forces and stabilize his sector.
“The regular army welcomed the help. Prigo and Wagner, as is the wont of special forces, took the limelight and took the credit for stopping the hated Ukrainians. The press gobbled it up. Meanwhile, the big army and Putin slowly changed their strategy from offensive conquest of greater Ukraine to defense of what they already had. Prigo refused to accept the change and continued on the offensive against Bakhmut. Therein lies the rub. Rather than create a public crisis and court-martial the a-hole [Prigozhin], Moscow simply withheld the resources and let Prigo use up his manpower and firepower reserves, dooming him to a stand-down. He is, after all, no matter how cunning financially, an ex-hot dog cart owner with no political or military accomplishments.
“What we never heard is three months ago Wagner was cycled out of the Bakhmut front and sent to an abandoned barracks north of Rostov-on-Don [in southern Russia] for demobilization. The heavy equipment was mostly redistributed, and the force was reduced to about 8,000, 2,000 of which left for Rostov escorted by local police.
“Putin fully backed the army who let Prigo make a fool of himself and now disappear into ignominy. All without raising a sweat militarily or causing Putin to face a political standoff with the fundamentalists, who were ardent Prigo admirers. Pretty shrewd.”
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11154 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:17 pm to
Part 2
There is an enormous gap between the way the professionals in the American intelligence community assess the situation and what the White House and the supine Washington press project to the public by uncritically reproducing the statements of Blinken and his hawkish cohorts.
The current battlefield statistics that were shared with me suggest that the Biden administration’s overall foreign policy may be at risk in Ukraine. They also raise questions about the involvement of the NATO alliance, which has been providing the Ukrainian forces with training and weapons for the current lagging counter-offensive. I learned that in the first two weeks of the operation, the Ukraine military seized only 44 square miles of territory previously held by the Russian army, much of it open land. In contrast, Russia is now in control of 40,000 square miles of Ukrainian territory. I have been told that in the past ten days Ukrainian forces have not fought their way through the Russian defenses in any significant way. They have recovered only two more square miles of Russian-seized territory. At that pace, one informed official said, waggishly, it would take Zelensky’s military 117 years to rid the country. of Russian occupation.
The Washington press in recent days seems to be slowly coming to grips with the enormity of the disaster, but there is no public evidence that President Biden and his senior aides in the White House and State Department aides understand the situation.
Putin now has within his grasp total control, or close to it, of the four Ukrainian oblasts—Donetsk, Kherson, Lubansk, Zaporizhzhia—that he publicly annexed on September 30, 2022, seven months after he began the war. The next step, assuming there is no miracle on the battlefield, will be up to Putin. He could simply stop where he is, and see if the military reality will be accepted by the White House and whether a ceasefire will be sought, with formal end-of-war talks initiated. There will be a presidential election next April in Ukraine, and the Russian leader may stay put and wait for that—if it takes place. President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine has said there will be no elections while the country is under martial law.
Biden’s political problems, in terms of next year’s presidential election, are acute—and obvious. On June 20 the Washington Post published an article based on a Gallup poll under the headline “Biden Shouldn’t Be as Unpopular as Trump—but He Is.” The article accompanying the poll by Perry Bacon, Jr., said that Biden has “almost universal support within his own party, virtually none from the opposition party and terrible numbers among independents.” Biden, like previous Democratic presidents, Bacon wrote, struggles “to connect with younger and less engaged voters.” Bacon had nothing to say about Biden’s support for the Ukraine war because the poll apparently asked no questions about the administration’s foreign policy. 
The looming disaster in Ukraine, and its political implications, should be a wake-up call for those Democratic members of Congress who support the president but disagree with his willingness to throw many billions of good money after bad in Ukraine in the hope of a miracle that will not arrive. Democratic support for the war is another example of the party’s growing disengagement from the working class. It’s their children who have been fighting the wars of the recent past and may be fighting in any future war. These voters have turned away in increasing numbers as the Democrats move closer to the intellectual and moneyed classes.
If there is any doubt about the continuing seismic shift in current politics, I recommend a good dose of Thomas Frank, the acclaimed author of the 2004 best-seller What’s the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America, a book that explained why the voters of that state turned away from the Democratic party and voted against their economic interests. Frank did it again in 2016 in his book Listen, Liberal: Or, Whatever Happened to the Party of the People? In an afterword to the paperback edition he depicted how Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party repeated—make that amplified—the mistakes made in Kansas en route to losing a sure-thing election to Donald Trump.  
It may be prudent for Joe Biden to talk straight about the war, and its various problems for America—and to explain why the estimated more than $150 billion that his administration has put up thus far turned out to be a very bad investment.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53391 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:18 pm to
I think she is talking about the Guantanamo piece. The Prigozhin one is free.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11154 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:20 pm to
quote:

Col Doom & Gloom

Can you imagine this dork as a brigade commander


Have you seen the commanders that are out there?
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46121 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

Given MacGregor's record with predictions in Ukraine since the beginning, the best chance to be accurate is to take the opposite side of any opinion he has. He is the Peej of this conflict.


The only prediction I heard MacGregor make when the Ukraine/Russia shite kicked off was Ukraine has no chance of defeating Russia without ground troops and massive amounts of cash and munitions from NATO/USA.......he's still correct.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11154 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:22 pm to
I found another website with that Gtmo piece but it cut off at the same spot.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146831 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:24 pm to
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36046 posts
Posted on 6/29/23 at 4:31 pm to
quote:

The only prediction I heard MacGregor make when the Ukraine/Russia shite kicked off was Ukraine has no chance of defeating Russia without ground troops and massive amounts of cash and munitions from NATO/USA.......he's still correct.


You need to keep up.

Six weeks, months ago, it was going to be all over.
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