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Col. Douglas MacGregor, Scott Ritter, John MearSheimer, Jeffrey Sachs etc

Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:27 pm
Can someone explain to me what is up with this specific clique of online political commentators that all seem to have the same identical talking points? I've never heard any of them say a bad word about russia...are they on the kremlin's payroll or is there something else going on? all are also very much anti-israel, anti-biden, and don't really criticize Trump. its like some sort of unofficial anti-neocon alliance.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53395 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:33 pm to
The O-T Call of Duty crew will say that. Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson (both former CIA) are in there, too.

Sachs is interesting, he is a former disaster capitalism neocon type who has reversed course. I think he is honestly worried about world war. Mearsheimer seems consistent with what he said years ago. From what I remember, Ritter, McGovern, and Johnson were anti-establishment and heroes of the left over things like the Iraq War. I had never really heard of MacGregor until Ukraine/Russia.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 2:48 pm
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
16919 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:41 pm to
John Mearsheimer is not just some "online political commentator." He is a renowned scholar in the field of international relations. I was introduced to his ideas nearly 15 years ago in graduate studies. His philosophy on the way the international realm operates has been consistent and for some reason no one accused him of being a stooge for a foreign power back then...

Douglas MacGregor is a decorated military strategist and combat veteran in the first Gulf War. His loyalty to America likewise has never been called into question until his willingness to publicly buck the intelligence agencies and neocon power apparatus. He worked for the Trump administration because his ideals most closely align with Trump's. There aren't many major candidates who buck the neo-con establishment positions on foreign policy, so it's not really hard to figure out why he appears friendly with Trump.


Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:42 pm to
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its like some sort of unofficial anti-neocon alliance


This describes the majority of the country, the uni-party thought they could get Americans to support their Ukraine fiasco.

Stop voting for warmongers.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53395 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:43 pm to
The man knows his stuff.
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Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:12 pm to
In 2015 Russia had already invaded Ukraine.
They weren’t going to leave. They aimed to take more.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
4972 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:25 pm to
And the US has just completed a coup (2014) to replace the president with another corrupt president but that liked the US.
Mearshemer is correct.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36046 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:40 pm to
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And the US has just completed a coup (2014) to replace the president with another corrupt president but that liked the US. Mearshemer is correct.


But when the Russian stooge got elected NATO didn’t invade Ukraine. That’s a huge difference. NATO didn’t send in troops to take over parts of Ukraine like Russia did.

Besides there is no real evidence that Ukraine didn’t get rid of the Russian stooge themselves. Sure we may have helped just and Russia helped their guy, but Ukraine did the heavy lifting.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11163 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:55 pm to
Ritter saw under the veil and became disappointed with things during his time as a weapons inspector, IMO. I think what he sees now is a completely corrupt US regime, coupled to Israel. He has some background in Cold War type issues and has found an audience for books and talks in Russia related to that subject and the general subject of US/Russia relations. I don't know if that makes him partial to Russia but many say he is - for the most part his stance is pretty legit in that he wants to see peace. However, it does seem he carries some bias in how he interprets things, but it seems to be bias that is "US/Israel regime bad" more than "Russia good".

Mearsheimer sees through the idiocy of US policy and has been calling attention to it for a long time. Few people bother to listen.

Sachs is an economist and has previously advised nations like Russia, after the breakup of the USSR, on how to move forward economically. It seems to me he realizes that what these nations, especially Russia, wanted (perhaps still want but now feel is unattainable) was just peaceful, normal relations with the West. He routinely points out the meddling of the CIA and others and generally how the US foreign policy is not carrying out our national interests.

MacGregor sees the folly of our government and has long been a proponent for pretty significant reform in foreign policy, US military doctrine, our general approach to warfare, etc. He sees and discusses the deterioration of our nation, particularly with regard to the border.

These guys are a small group of countervailing voices to the warmongers like Lindsey Graham. McGovern and Larry Johnson are similar - they have seen the stupidity of our government and the damage it does to us in the near and long term picture. LTC(ret) Danny Davis is another that is somewhat in the same group. I believe he and I were both in the Future Combat Systems program at Ft. Bliss at the same time.

I don't know that any of these guys are big Trump fans (actually I think most would not default to a pro-Trump position at all), but I do think they see Biden as being much worse. Reading between the lines I think MacGregor, for example, was not happy with how Trump was easily manipulated by generals and the IC and failed to take decisive action and confront the severity of the problems we are facing. That's just my take on things he's said.

MacGregor generally leans toward a pro-Israel sentiment but appears to believe Israel is making serious mistakes that could bring in multiple nations, and absent a robust commitment from the US, he thinks that would be the end of Israel. On paper the numbers regarding resources, combat power, and manpower would say he's correct - unless Israel goes nuclear.

As for a pro-Russia stance...I listen to these guys on a routine basis and what I hear from them is not pro-Russia, it's a reluctance to point the finger at Russia when they believe the US has been as bad or worse across the board. Sort of like glass houses, stones and such. To generalize, I think they all believe Russia would like peace but simply was not going to tolerate NATO in Ukraine. In talking about potential NATO presence in Odessa, MacGregor compared it to Russian or Chinese troops massing in Tijuana - the US would simply not allow it and would quickly mass overwhelming combat power to displace that presence.

A theme for all these guys is pointing out the hypocrisy of US policy and how that hurts us in the long term. For example, after the USSR fell, the Soviets/Russia pulled forces out of Germany under the condition that there would not be any NATO movement east. Instead of the two powers essentially meeting in Germany, the fall of the wall meant the USSR was gone and that Russia would be in charge of the recall of Soviet military personnel and assets. Everything east of Germany would pretty much serve as a buffer and there would not be tensions between NATO and Russia. Well, the US lied and for 30 years has steadily been moving NATO east, and now it's at the Russian border. Russia said for a long time that would be unacceptable and long time diplomats cautioned policy makers not to do this, but they did it anyway. Everyone should search for an read 'The Long Telegram' written by George Kennan who understood Soviet society and Russia as well as any American. He spelled out that this approach by US/NATO would be disastrous and that the Russians didn't operate in vague concepts or soft language like we often do in the west, that when they said 'no' it meant no, and they looked at NATO eastern encroachment as a huge red line, particularly in a place like Ukraine. The US policymakers ignored all of this and here we are...and these guys all point this out.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
9175 posts
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:56 pm to
I like McGregor. He's been accurate about Ukraine since it started. He talks straight. I don't agree with his opinion on Gaza, but I think he's sincere and his views are on point about the general state of crisis in this nation.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11163 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:23 pm to
Wanted to add a quick snippet to this. On Daniel Davis' channel, he had MacGregor on today. They discussed the recent 100B foreign aid bill and MacGregor did not say a nice thing about Trump.

I'll see if the embed goes right to the time stamp, but Davis asks if this bill will be a force for good and help protect American interests etc. They are speaking pointedly about the House and Johnson. MacGregor's response, "Keep in mind he's also passing a bill for surveillance without a warrant...This is a multiple catastrophe and he's demonstrated that he's very much part of the problem and not the solution...The sad part is, we have to keep in mind that Lindsey Graham pointed out to everyone that without Donald Trump's endorsement and help, this bill wouldn't have passed. Because he said 'well done Johnson you're doing a great job and I support this bill'. This is a disaster. It does nothing for the United States..."



ETA more to his quote, and...This new embed feature is awesome.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 9:26 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146848 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:49 pm to
what was the name of the one high ranking RET military pimping the HAMMER SCORECARD pied piper intel crock of crap?

the lot of them say roger dash one niner delta is gonna bust all of the bad guys any day; and nothing happens-ever. And I have been waiting over 20 years.

it is concerning that Ka$h is selling the punisher symbol as a gimmick not a comm.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80257 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:52 pm to
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And I have been waiting over 20 years.


Isn’t insanity doing the same thing and expecting a different result?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146848 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:55 pm to
waiting is not a direct action and insanity cannot be achieved no matter how hard I try... because I have never expected a different result.

but nothing can stop what is coming, this I can tell you.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80257 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:05 pm to
well-played
Posted by Von
Wichita Falls, TX
Member since Feb 2019
1882 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:11 pm to
Yesterday Rumble auto played a podcast MacGregor was on I listened to it, hadn't seen any of his stuff in a long time.
He ripped into Trump pretty hard. Can't remember if it was FISA or something else.. but I do remember agreeing with him..

He was talking about stupid decisions being made everywhere regarding Ukraine. Just plain stupid. And then he said the most honest thing I've ever heard in a cast... Well, a lot of my predictions have been wrong lately..

I don't know if it occured to him, but it did to me.. it'd be pretty hard for a military tactician to predict events surrounding a war if the war isn't being fought to achieve any tactical goals...
Just sayin...
Posted by Geronimo
Member since May 2023
394 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

its like some sort of unofficial anti-neocon alliance


You say that like it's a bad thing
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146848 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:24 pm to
This video?



Maybe he isn't the hammer scorecard chap I was thinking of?

Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25644 posts
Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:51 pm to
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Douglas MacGregor is a decorated military strategist and combat veteran in the first Gulf War. His loyalty to America likewise has never been called into question until his willingness to publicly buck the intelligence agencies and neocon power apparatus


Col MacGregor was an excellent tactician and commander but not a great strategist which is the reason he didn't get a star. An example of the ideas people took issue with was he wanted to dissolve both the Marines and the XVIII Airborne Corps.
Posted by Von
Wichita Falls, TX
Member since Feb 2019
1882 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 12:07 am to
I don't know. He was a guest on some channel I'm not familiar with, young dark haired salesman looking host. And MacGregor was all casual looking on his patio or something.
I just looked at it once when he said he'd been wrong a lot lately.
It was background noise while I was putting together one of those big wooden swing sets for my granddaughter.
You know, even the smaller swing sets with the fort, slide and stuff.. those damn things have like 900 gazillion pieces of hardware in 300 little labeled bags and a 30 page instruction book. At least the Chinese to English translation was pretty good.
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