- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: CNN - Hillary Clinton pummels Obama foreign policy
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:14 pm to wfeliciana
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:14 pm to wfeliciana
quote:
Hillary knows the Dem Left won't support her in primaries but they will in the general election.
Even if the Republicans nominate someone who is more in synch with the Democratic base on issues like foreign policy, the war on drugs and warrantless surveillance?
1
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:17 pm to Wolfhound45
Whoever the GOP candidate is should tie her to Obama's foreign policy 10x per day.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:22 pm to trackfan
quote:
Even if the Republicans nominate someone who is more in synch with the Democratic base on issues like foreign policy, the war on drugs and warrantless surveillance?
She is in sync with most of the base. The left has never liked HRC. But they and the rest of the base will vote for her in the general. I doubt the Rs would/could nominate someone more in synch with the base than HRC. You should remember both Clintons have always been middle of the spectrum Ds.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:25 pm to wfeliciana
The base despises neocons and that's what Hillary is. It's why Obama could come out of nowhere and steal the nomination from her in 2008.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:27 pm to wfeliciana
quote:
She is in sync with most of the base. The left has never liked HRC. But they and the rest of the base will vote for her in the general. I doubt the Rs would/could nominate someone more in synch with the base than HRC. You should remember both Clintons have always been middle of the spectrum Ds.
She will win her base. She will struggle with the middle. If nominated (and the Republicans can put somewhere out there with a pulse) she will lose.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:31 pm to Wolfhound45
She is not going to even be the Democrat nominee, let alone the president. She is an idiot for trying to insinuate that her foreign policy is different than Obama's - she was his freaking Secretary of State!
I am firmly convinced that the Democrat nominee with either be Elizabeth Warren or Cory Booker. I also think that which ever one front's the ticket will tap the other as their VP nominee.
I have no clue who will run for the GOP, but I think Romney is about as good of a guess as anyone at the moment.
I am tacitly pulling for Rand at the moment, but I don't think he has a snowball's chance because he will be targeted by the left and the right.
I am firmly convinced that the Democrat nominee with either be Elizabeth Warren or Cory Booker. I also think that which ever one front's the ticket will tap the other as their VP nominee.
I have no clue who will run for the GOP, but I think Romney is about as good of a guess as anyone at the moment.
I am tacitly pulling for Rand at the moment, but I don't think he has a snowball's chance because he will be targeted by the left and the right.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:33 pm to trackfan
quote:
The base despises neocons and that's what Hillary is. It's why Obama could come out of nowhere and steal the nomination from her in 2008.
Trackfan, first she isn't a neocon, but yes she is more hawkish than Obama. Of course that doesn't take much. Second, it was actually a very close race for the nomination but it was the left of the party that lead the opposition to her. And yes after Bush, getting out of Iraq was a very big issue for the base. First strike against her and then the party, like the nation, became very enamored with electing the first black president. So that was that. If HRC decides to run no viable alternative will run against her. Certainly Warren won't, she supports a HRC run. The base will coalesce to elect the first woman president.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:38 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
She will win her base. She will struggle with the middle. If nominated (and the Republicans can put somewhere out there with a pulse) she will lose.
It will be interesting to see. I think she'll be much stronger with the middle than you think. If the Rs don't nominate someone who is a moderate then she wins. They nominate someone like Christie or Bush it will be a closer race. I think in the end she becomes our President. Of course I'm still not sure she will run. One thing for sure she'll have comfort in her own polling if she runs.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:46 pm to wfeliciana
quote:
It will be interesting to see. I think she'll be much stronger with the middle than you think.
I think she gets crushed. This is not about her intelligence, it is about her likeability (something President Obama crushed her in 2008 - he had it, she didn't).
Her personality and looks?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:52 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
Her personality and looks?
Be careful with her looks-that's a tad sexist and can feed a meme about the Rs. She does not have the personality of Bill, but she does fine. She knows she has to show the more personable side that she does have. She is well liked by her peers in both parties. She will not win the white male vote. Won't do as well with the overall male vote as Obama did in his first election. However women are ready for their turn so don't underestimate that. Like I said it will be interesting to see, if it happens. I'm still not sure she will run.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:11 pm to wfeliciana
quote:
Be careful with her looks-that's a tad sexist and can feed a meme about the Rs.
I stated a fact, not an opinion. She does not have the attractive factor working for her anymore. And quite frankly, considering the filth I hear out of Democratic posters on this board regarding any conservative woman, I felt my comment was more than appropriate and benign with not a trace of sexism.
quote:
She does not have the personality of Bill, but she does fine. She knows she has to show the more personable side that she does have.
My opinion? She simply does not have "it" when it comes to charisma and charm. Her husband? Yes. President Obama (in 2008), yes. That does not mean she is not intelligent (I have seen from many on both sides of the aisle that she is quite intelligent) but that does not translate into likeability. And the voters have to connect with her.
quote:
She will not win the white male vote. Won't do as well with the overall male vote as Obama did in his first election. However women are ready for their turn so don't underestimate that.
Hmmm. I don't see women (at this point in time) as fanatical about geting a woman into the White House. They are more practical in their concerns than that.
quote:
Like I said it will be interesting to see, if it happens. I'm still not sure she will run.
I hope she does not run. I have a feeling that things are going to get ugly for her. Just being honest.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:54 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
I stated a fact, not an opinion. She does not have the attractive factor working for her anymore. And quite frankly, considering the filth I hear out of Democratic posters on this board regarding any conservative woman, I felt my comment was more than appropriate and benign with not a trace of sexism.
I should have explained that comment Wolfhound, didn't mean to say you were being that, just pointing out that general comments about a female candidate's looks can feed that meme. And lord knows what I read on this board by Ds, Rs, Libertarians, et al, just floor me with what they say.
quote:
I don't see women (at this point in time) as fanatical about geting a woman into the White House. They are more practical in their concerns than that.
I agree not now, except for the 50+ women, they are very very much into a Clinton run. Once the campaign starts I think you'll see it more. As to connecting with voters, yep she needs to work on that, although it'll be interesting to see what the voters do after having 2 personable guys that were terrible presidents. And I think she knows how ugly it will get. Like I said, it will be interesting to see if she runs. The Charlie Rose interview with her really focused on her decision process and reasons why she would not run.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:04 pm to Wolfhound45
In the surest sign yet that she's running for President, now Hillary is carrying water for Netanyahu, a man she despised when she was Secretary of State, not to mention the disdain her husband had for him.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:07 pm to wfeliciana
quote:
...what I read on this board by Ds, Rs, Libertarians, et al, just floor me with what they say.
Agreed.
Best wishes to her. I hold no ill will. I just see how vicious politics are nowadays and I see it getting even uglier should she run.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:17 pm to trackfan
I don't know trackfan. She's always been pro-Israel. Unlike others I don't see the issue with her on this. It is pretty consistent with her views before and after her SoS stint. I think one very weird thing about all of this is that a lot of centrist Rs would actually agree with her on foreign affairs if they ever put aside their CDS.
I've long ago given up on demonizing any political candidate. Everyone has feet of clay. No one is as bad as I think or as good as I think. Even Cheney has some positive attributes.
I've long ago given up on demonizing any political candidate. Everyone has feet of clay. No one is as bad as I think or as good as I think. Even Cheney has some positive attributes.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:27 pm to AUin02
She's too hawkish and too far right for me, she feels like a step back to baby boomer bullshite, that said if she runs she'll win the presidency easily barring really stupid missteps ala 2008.
A Republican isn't going to win the presidency unless they can broaden the coalition outside of aging white voters and who other than perhaps Rand Paul can do that on the Republican side- Rubio had a shot but then the party turned on him over the very thing that would have made him such a formidable candidate (immigration reform/ appeal to hispanic voters) Ted Cruz doesn't appeal to hispanic voters in nearly the same way, he just doesn't and it really doesn't help him that he's basically a "pull the ladder up behind you" guy on immigration where it was okay for his dad to flee a civil war and seek a better line in the US but for others to do so is unacceptable.
A Republican isn't going to win the presidency unless they can broaden the coalition outside of aging white voters and who other than perhaps Rand Paul can do that on the Republican side- Rubio had a shot but then the party turned on him over the very thing that would have made him such a formidable candidate (immigration reform/ appeal to hispanic voters) Ted Cruz doesn't appeal to hispanic voters in nearly the same way, he just doesn't and it really doesn't help him that he's basically a "pull the ladder up behind you" guy on immigration where it was okay for his dad to flee a civil war and seek a better line in the US but for others to do so is unacceptable.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 6:54 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
I would have respected Hillary if she would have opposed Obama and resigned WHILE she was Secretary of State
Isn't it wonderful how her past is just completely forgotten by the press? Like the Hillary care she was to impliment when William was prez and the lost files and Bengazi. And her blaming a republican conspieracy against William and his sleeping arrangements with other women acting like it wasn't true knowing it was true.
Page 3 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News