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re: Charles Johnson publishes real identity of Jackie (of UVA frat rape lie)
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:06 pm to StrangeBrew
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:06 pm to StrangeBrew
The charges were dropped. I'm not making light of it. I thought Mangum should've been charge for perjury and I'm sure a dozen other things.
But what created that maelstrom of public opinion was speculation on the Internet and cable TV before we had facts. That's what we're doing here, both a couple weeks ago and now, and expecting different outcomes.
Give it a couple weeks. We might actually find something out.
But what created that maelstrom of public opinion was speculation on the Internet and cable TV before we had facts. That's what we're doing here, both a couple weeks ago and now, and expecting different outcomes.
Give it a couple weeks. We might actually find something out.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:10 pm to Toddy
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Is there even a "Drew"?
I hope she doesn't listen to a lot of Taylor Swift songs....All kidding aside, she might need professional help, and I bet that will be the outcome here...
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:14 pm to NC_Tigah
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People need to back away, take a breath, and allow actual investigations by actual investigators to run their course. Consider the possibility, remote as it may be, that 'Jackie' was slipped a club drug, then horribly assaulted somewhere on campus. Between the trauma and drugs, she's gotten the story wrong. It happens, not often, and probably not in this case, but stranger things have occurred.
I'm not raising drugs/trauma as a probability or even a significant possibility. I'm just saying the reporting here has been complete bullshite, and before "Jackie" is bullied to the brink of suicide, we'd all do well to get facts straight.
We are nowhere close to that, currently.
Upvote. My sentiments exactly.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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People need to back away, take a breath, and allow actual investigations by actual investigators to run their course.
Which should have happened 2 years ago if legit, but instead the accuser decided a national music magazine 2 years later was the appropriate forum.
Lack of reporting to police, then blasting across the country in the most public forum does not compute with somber 'lets wait for the facts'.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:18 pm to igoringa
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Which should have happened 2 years ago if legit, but instead the accuser decided a national music magazine 2 years later was the appropriate forum.
That's on the magazine. Not the woman.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:20 pm to the808bass
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I hope the same thing. What does that mean?
I think everyone hopes the same thing, but it is the accuser that forewent the police to instead blast the claims across the nation in a music magazine.
To then argue any blowback when the accusations are deemed dubious at best is further examples of hindering the raped is a little ridiculous.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:24 pm to TK421
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Think about it. Someone in this thread is using the fact that this girl referred to her exit as being a "side door" instead of the "back door" as reason for not believing her. That is a ridiculous standard for someone that has undergone a traumatic experience.
No people are using the limited facts available to be verified and noting that none of hers are consistent with reality. Facts that she chose to argue in a national media form (not the accused). She made the choice to drop such an accusation in the national psyche.... 2 years after the fact. That does not warrant carte blanche treatment.
To the extent something terrible happened, I hope they all rot in hell and get locked away a long time - but blabbing to a facking magazine as the vehicle of exposure is a really stupid move and evaluation of that is fair game.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:29 pm to the808bass
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What guys? Apparently those guys don't exist. So she shamed some figments of her imagination.
Are you arguing that she did not bring shame of the institution of that fraternity, the greek system of UVA and UVA as a whole?
Simply put, she choose to forego talking to the police and instead talked to a music magazine.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:29 pm to Toddy
Good. I hope that bitch has the rest of her life completely ruined.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:31 pm to the808bass
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That's on the magazine. Not the woman.
yes, she has no personal responsibility. Did she stop her from going to the police or force her at gun point to tell her story to them?
I am curious - at what point does she ever have responsibility?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:34 pm to igoringa
Giving her a pass is to infantilize women. It's been two fricking years. Unless she's retarded, she knew what she was doing.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:35 pm to TK421
quote:There is ZERO validity to that bullshite. Zero!
On Morning JOE this morning there was some liberal saying he hoped this did not prevent women who have been raped from coming forward. Seriously you can't make this crap up.
You really don't see any validity to his point?
Not a matter of "not seeing validity". There is no validity. None!
Assuming """validity to his point""" assumes a sexist fragility of women completely unbecoming of modern society. I don't make that assumption. MsNC sure as hell does not make that assumption.
Which begs the question . . . . why do you?
Are you really that dismissive of the emotional stability of US women in the 21st century?
Really?
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:35 pm to igoringa
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To then argue any blowback when the accusations are deemed dubious at best is further examples of hindering the raped is a little ridiculous.
If she made this up, I don't care what degree of blowback she faces. That still doesn't mean it couldn't keep other women from coming forward. But that's not the fault of the people who are investigating her claims if they turn out to be false. That's her fault.
It would be harsh irony if her obsession with rape and her crusade for Justice (without facts) ended up harming the very cause she was working for.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:37 pm to NC_Tigah
Cmon man. If every woman thought their rape accusation had a chance of becoming a national story with her recollection being picked apart piece by piece, that's a bad thing. That's not the fault of anyone other than this chick, though.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:41 pm to the808bass
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If she made this up, I don't care what degree of blowback she faces.
Agree
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That still doesn't mean it couldn't keep other women from coming forward.
Agreed, but this is taking place in this forum because of her decision to use the public forum.
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But that's not the fault of the people who are investigating her claims if they turn out to be false. That's her fault.
Agreed
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It would be harsh irony if her obsession with rape and her crusade for Justice (without facts) ended up harming the very cause she was working for.
And that will be very sad. The whole thing is very sad in all scenarios.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:43 pm to the808bass
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Cmon man. If every woman thought their rape accusation had a chance of becoming a national story with her recollection being picked apart piece by piece, that's a bad thing.
quote:
People need to back away, take a breath, and allow actual investigations by actual investigators to run their course. Consider the possibility, remote as it may be, that 'Jackie' was slipped a club drug, then horribly assaulted somewhere on campus. Between the trauma and drugs, she's gotten the story wrong. It happens, not often, and probably not in this case, but stranger things have occurred.
I'm not raising drugs/trauma as a probability or even a significant possibility. I'm just saying the reporting here has been complete bullshite, and before "Jackie" is bullied to the brink of suicide, we'd all do well to get facts straight.
We are nowhere close to that, currently.
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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People need to back away, take a breath, and allow actual investigations by actual investigators to run their course.
Serious question - is this even happening? Did she ever report it to the police?
My understanding (and I may be wrong) is that she forewent reporting it to the police and instead decided 2 years later distributing the story through a music magazine would be the most appropriate avenue.
Is there some formal police investigation/complaint filed? Again, not being a jerk - but is there?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:50 pm to igoringa
quote:Apparently the Nat'l Frat Organization requested it. So yes, for what it's worth 2 years out, it's happening.
Serious question - is this even happening?
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:53 pm to igoringa
quote:RS sought her out after whiffing with similar stories on Ivy League Campuses.
decided 2 years later distributing the story through a music magazine would be the most appropriate avenue.
Posted on 12/8/14 at 7:54 pm to NC_Tigah
Interesting and pretty sad that the an institution related to the accused is the one that has to push an investigation whereas an accuser can use a music magazine to publicly vilify.
Further if we should all wait to see what can be dug up from 2 years ago, is it fair to criticize those that did not wait (or request) such investigation (her and RS?).
Further if we should all wait to see what can be dug up from 2 years ago, is it fair to criticize those that did not wait (or request) such investigation (her and RS?).
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