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re: Can we all agree that looting as a form of protest is absolutely insane?
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:14 pm to sugar71
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:14 pm to sugar71
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So 2/3 aren't as empathetic(majority)? So I am biased about making an opinion (I readily admit in passing when I have time) based upon nearly two thirds or even half the posters here?.
Not at all, you just don't understand what you're talking about.
Most people (Including you and I) are inconsistent with our perceived ideological beliefs. But on this subject, probably 1/3rd are against the current trend in law enforcement, 1/3rd support the status quo, and the other third is wildly inconsistent depending on the situation.
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Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Not at all, you just don't understand what you're talking about.
Most people (Including you and I) are inconsistent with our perceived ideological beliefs. But on this subject, probably 1/3rd are against the current trend in law enforcement, 1/3rd support the status quo, and the other third is wildly inconsistent depending on the situation.
I simply asked a question, but we are both certain that those less empathetic with these communities/people seem to squeal with delight at the negativity are larger than the actual 1% who are even participating.(in looting)..
I think you are fighting an uphill battle with militarization of the Police as it makes many feel safe . Many on the Right don't believe the entire Criminal system from Cops to Courts is tough enough.
Even a local Missouri rights advocate on CNN was fine with what he saw in Ferguson as the militarized cops are just a 'first line of defense for legal gun owners"(paraphrase).
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:45 pm to sugar71
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What exactly would 'calling out' a-holes do besides make people like you feel better?
I feel fine. I simply made an observation, that these people are doing it wrong if they're trying to bring change.
I don't care about race, at all. This thread wasn't started to call black people out. It was started to call out looting as fricking stupid, and hurts the very community you live in. I don't care if they're white or black.
Another point, whether we like it or not, is that the media feeds on these stories. They're a moneymaker for them. So, unfortunately, the actions of a few will be projected on most. You see it often. Are all priest pedophiles? Are all whites racists? Are all blacks looters? Do all Bama fans sleep with their sisters? Well, ok, that one is true. 3 out of 4 ain't bad.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 12:47 pm to sugar71
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I think you are fighting an uphill battle with militarization of the Police as it makes many feel safe . Many on the Right don't believe the entire Criminal system from Cops to Courts is tough enough
You're dead wrong here. The abuse of power is what pushed many traditional conservatives over the line and gave people like Rand and Ron an audience. It's true many didn't take notice until events like Waco and Ruby Ridge though.
This post was edited on 8/17/14 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:00 pm to ZZTIGERS
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Can we all, liberal, conservative, independent & Green Party Buddhist, agree on this?
I think it's both sane and effective. Those who benefit from the situation know exactly what they're doing. A mafia enforcer has to crack a few kneecaps every now and then.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:11 pm to ZZTIGERS
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I feel fine. I simply made an observation, that these people are doing it wrong if they're trying to bring change.
I don't care about race, at all. This thread wasn't started to call black people out. It was started to call out looting as fricking stupid, and hurts the very community you live in. I don't care if they're white or black.
Another point, whether we like it or not, is that the media feeds on these stories. They're a moneymaker for them. So, unfortunately, the actions of a few will be projected on most. Y
The looters are criminals who don't care about the community & I doubt whether they are trying to make any significant change..
I did not take your thread that way & thought it was an earnest question, but I really don't know what this 'calling out' is gonna accomplish. I hear the same thing about calling out 'radical Muslims' as if though 'calling out' ISIS /Muslim extremists is gonna stop them.
There are more constructive things that can be done ,but 'calling out' isn't one of them.
And honestly ZZ some don't like to give bigots,Islmaphobes,etc.... (who you must admit come out the woodworks) some semblance of validation .
The best thing for 99% of the non looters to do is not show up & loot.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:17 pm to sugar71
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The best thing for 99% of the non looters to do is not show up & loot.
100% of the non looters don't show up and loot. Otherwise, they'd be looters.
Posted on 8/17/14 at 1:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You're dead wrong here. The abuse of power is what pushed many traditional conservatives over the line and gave people like Rand and Ron an audience. It's true many didn't take notice until events like Waco and Ruby Ridge though.
I hope you're right as I think we are on the same side of the Police militarization issue. I just find it a bit suspect that more radical/dangerous elements like Weaver(?), suspects at Waco, Cliven Bundy 'etc....seem to get a bit more empathy than others(unless that's a Federal issue).
I honestly haven't really followed the guy choked to death for allegedly selling black market cigarettes ,but some on the Right & here were outraged as well I must admit.
But we'll see how this works out for Paul after Fox tries to do a number on him for being 'soft on crime' or , 'anti-cop' .
Posted on 8/17/14 at 2:12 pm to UL-SabanRival
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Are you joking? Of course they just want free shite. Some people use the confusion and hysteria of such events to steal shite from others.
"In confusion, there is profit."
- Tony Curtis, "Operation Petticoat"
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